Wow the community itself is stuck between going for it and tap in the potentiality or not wasting time on it. That is kinda funny. Wow.
LOL. I might end up purchasing one Paradigm Tower and Building one DIY Active tower and end up using them as Pair.
LOL. I might end up purchasing one Paradigm Tower and Building one DIY Active tower and end up using them as Pair.
I agree with that the rules are not the same to everyone. Knowledgeable people have more scope to get both better performance and savings. And, only someone who knows what/how to do will know how much time/effort/money it would take to get there. In order to know whether one would save any money, the whole plan must be in front of his/her eyes, from start to finish, down to the finest detail.
You've, once again, ended up overestimating the prices of professional gear in your market. It shouldn't be hard to find six-channel processing and amplification for that money. For example, see the following brands to get an idea of the actual retail prices:
https://vmt.in/collections/amplifier?sort_by=price-ascending&gf_364473=CROWN&gf_364477=1
https://vmt.in/products/driverack-260?variant=39421202497716
I strongly believe that the main reason behind why you're ready to pay so much is: 1) you are absolutely clueless about the market and 2) somebody has managed to convince you that it is necessary to spend so much to get good performance.
In short, your itsy-bitsy domestic speaker, no matter how good it really is, should not cost anywhere near what you're ready to pay. If the HiFi people know you have 100k in your pocket they immediately have a speaker for 100k. And guess what they have for only 50k ? Oh yes, a 50k speaker. No matter how big or small your pocket is, the HiFi people just want to rip you off.
That said, all the major companies making pro gear also make consumer HiFi, so beware.
You've, once again, ended up overestimating the prices of professional gear in your market. It shouldn't be hard to find six-channel processing and amplification for that money. For example, see the following brands to get an idea of the actual retail prices:
https://vmt.in/collections/amplifier?sort_by=price-ascending&gf_364473=CROWN&gf_364477=1
https://vmt.in/products/driverack-260?variant=39421202497716
I strongly believe that the main reason behind why you're ready to pay so much is: 1) you are absolutely clueless about the market and 2) somebody has managed to convince you that it is necessary to spend so much to get good performance.
In short, your itsy-bitsy domestic speaker, no matter how good it really is, should not cost anywhere near what you're ready to pay. If the HiFi people know you have 100k in your pocket they immediately have a speaker for 100k. And guess what they have for only 50k ? Oh yes, a 50k speaker. No matter how big or small your pocket is, the HiFi people just want to rip you off.
That said, all the major companies making pro gear also make consumer HiFi, so beware.
Where are the Pro Drivers to Pair with it.
The cheapest 2ch AMP x 3 = INR59,400
That DSP = INR36,000
Total: INR95,400
The Drivers should not cost more than INR30-50,000(More towards 30,000 if possible)
The competition was 2,32,000/-, and you have what you asked for. Try to get the real point behind all this.
It seems to me that you are not starting with the right part of the problem to begin with.
You stated at the beginning that this system is primarily for HT use. And in that case your primary concern should be with the center speaker since it will produce about 70% of the sound information that you receive.
Get that right and you can have a great system, even if the remaining speakers aren't quite as good as the center. But screw up the center and then it really doesn't matter about the rest of them. You won't have the great system that you appear to want.
Your approach so far seems to be much more focused on straight music listening than on HT.
My point in this thread from the start is to go DIY route to save huge amount of money while getting equally good performance. If I have to spend as much or close to it then there is no point of me going DIY.
I know how important Center is. Hence I made a statement that I will work on it after I have sucess with L and R channels. See even with Center being most important and most used. To start a DIY project I simply can't start with Center and work around. It is good to start with L and R and then work my way up.
The reason I am comparing or setting my DIY to compete against Paradigm Premier series is fir its Center channel. That had probably one of the best Center in that Budget range or even higher.
Oh boy, you're telling me active v passive systems take you the same amount of time to move to different rooms? Oh boy. What sort of "active" system are you talking about.
Your second point is total nonsense, avoidance of the discussion. You give your cousin your active system in a box, for free, and expect him or her to set it up properly, when you just admitted with passive they'd not go to any trouble at all????
These are not reasons to avoid active systems, they are the reasons why active systems are not easily traded around or even used by typical users. Try reading what I write next time before responding to me. Many people enjoy active systems immensely btw.
You din't get my point right. I am not planning to spend INR2,32,000 if I can manage to get similar performance for INR1,20,000 DIY route. So Don't know why you are unable to understand this simple point.
You still not to this point have given me a full setup for that budget. You only gave me DSP recommendation once(which was really good) and 4ch Amp recommendation(not good on performance).
Give me full setup for INR1,20,000 3-way Speakers Pair. That is including recommended drivers.
Let me make it clear that I was not recommending the purchase of any of the things I had linked to, but merely showing your the prices of some serious professional equipment so that you could familiarise yourself with the market and thereby the real intentions of the HiFi segment. Now, we people on the forum can only warn you of the trap, isn't it ?
Yes. I am not saying you dint. I am saying you only stopped midway. Or you dint take my requirements into consideration. Like with the Drivers. Those JBL Pro Drivers were really expensive. So that was my point. You dint understand my requirement at all. I am trying to cut cost without cutting down Quality. Hard but not impossible.
So, in the DIY space there are several systems offered by top designers that include the Center as well as matching Left and Right speakers.
Look at the Meniscus Audio website as well as Troels Gravesen's for these matching sets.
Meniscus is based in the US and regularly ships worldwide. Troels kits are sold by Jantzen based in Poland, and they have distributors in India that handle sales on a local basis
Here are the links to all of the related websites:
https://meniscusaudio.com/
http://www.troelsgravesen.dk/Diy_Loudspeaker_Projects.htm
http://www.jantzen-audio.com/
These are serious Center channel DIY speakers that have been developed by experts and well tested. Not something that anyone can easily replicate. Particularly if they don't have any experience in doing it.
(Note that on the Troels Gravesen website you have to scroll down fairly far to find the Center Channel section.)
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I have to admit... I did not see your 1000$ limit. Maybe the cheaper SB line and some DIY kit.... but that leaves cabinets out of the budget, and just a set of the smallest 3 way plate amps from Hypex... is very close to 1000$
For HT, and talking about a center channel too..... build 3 of these:
You need good directivity, dynamics, SPL, pretty flat FR and low cost - here you go 👍 😎
For HT, and talking about a center channel too..... build 3 of these:
You need good directivity, dynamics, SPL, pretty flat FR and low cost - here you go 👍 😎
I am looking at budget but 3-way DIY speakers. 3-way is a must. So am doing more research. Thanks for the Video Link. Will check it out.
I'm very much into 3 way speakers too, since I always seem to fall for speakers with a dedicated midrange - especially because of their ability to convey voices.
But for HT use... these are pretty damn good bang for the buck. And in the future, with some added EQ... you should be having a blast watching movies. I always concern about ported speakers, never found some I liked ( rarely some sounded good)... but again... that is changeable... especially with adding subs and EQ - for the price of more power usage and limiting a bit of max SPL.
No matter what I say further you're going to argue, and I simply don't care any further what you think. It doesn't take me much more time to do it, accept that or not, it's irrelevant to me.
Like I'd give my cousin a car in pieces with no instructions or help either. Most people these days consider a complex audio system one that's more complicated than a BT speaker. If you're willing to give someone a complex thing in parts without instruction or help, that says more about you. Once installed and set up, most people leave systems alone for extended periods.
Your reasoning against active systems is really foolish; IRL I'd use considerably more blunt language.
This explains a lot though.
Answer to your first question ( the two first i own):
https://images.app.goo.gl/UmVRJ2oDTZgLWw1s9
https://images.app.goo.gl/yy7moHAjDpjVMw7z5
https://images.app.goo.gl/WpvPFt7Nf2r1rSrt5
https://images.app.goo.gl/tEjabzcoPgH7xwu8A
So, if you need something easy to move, simple to install and offering some capability of adaptation to your room, location, condition of listening,... there is no competition against this kind of active loudspeakers.
Of course they are displayed in growing order of price ( so the more you spend, the more options) at the time they were availlable ( 20 years old design so now you'll more likely see dsp rather than analog active).
For your information, i used Alesis a lot when i dj'ed in bar and small place for monitoring purpose because they were easy to move and set up. Less than 20mn to setup my whole system including stand, TT, mixer, monitoring and all cables...
Not easily traded around? Well i'll let you check the market of second hand powered active monitors by yourself...
You make too broad a generalisation about 'active': sure my cousin won't be able to even understand the architecture of my main active three ways including pc, soundcard, dsp, amps, volume control as separate elements ( despite being an amateur musician owning an home studio) but it doesn't want to come to such extreme and customised to my preference setup.
It's a bit like saying there is no market for 'prototype' cars used for racing...
3 way towers for $1000 is where DIY can start to make some sense financially although one should be aware that there are some genuinely decent direct sales commercial 3 way towers on the market for under $1000 such as the Emotiva evaluated here. One would need to be pretty good at design and manufacture to match these with DIY and very few first time beginners are in that category. Most need to gather knowledge and experience to get there which is of course what the hobby is about for many.
The configuration with 2 x 8" woofers, midrange and tweeter has adequate cone area and potential for smooth directivity not to be the performance bottleneck it is for smaller 2 way speakers. Now speakers like the Emotiva can be improved in both looks and to a modest extent performance. This requires a better design and implementation which gets easier with a larger budget and the use of active crossovers. It also requires experience and knowledge which you currently lack and don't show much signs of gathering by not working with much of the links and information posted. Given the nature of forums some of the posts will be best dismissed but without knowledge it can be nigh on impossible to know which.
Roughing out the costs of DIY active vs passive is a wise thing to do but it needs to be done in a reasonable manner if it is to be useful rather than misleading. You don't seem to have costed a passive crossover and your active crossover lacks costs for an audio power supply, chassis and other bits and bobs which are likely to exceed the cost of 3 amplifier modules. Your minidsp choice (if it is a pair of minidsp 2x2) is not particularly sensible. An unused 315W channel and using 315W on a tweeter channel and, probably, the midrange is wasteful. One also needs to be careful with Class D modules for high frequencies because they are not all audibly neutral. Your driver choice will need revising based on the requirements for the design of the full speaker which will likely raise costs but probably not greatly.
Completing a reasonable costing for an active crossover assembled in the way you have started is likely to be useful in revealing to you the actual cost of easy-to-use DIY active crossovers. It is going to be more than the equivalent of the Emotiva 3 way plus 2 channels from a power amplifier or receiver although this depends on the details of how you cost things. It might be less that the Paradigm 3 way but not by much and for your own design DIY project to be competitive you will have to learn substantially more than you currently know about speakers. It is for you to judge if that is a realistic, worthwhile and fun activity for you. If you gather this knowledge then your choice of components will change to more appropriate ones but the relative costs of the options should remain in the same ballpark. As mentioned earlier there is a cheaper way to go about active crossovers but it is messier and requires more effort and knowledge about signal processing and probably programming.