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Iamjackalope,
Which soundcard reference?
Have you figured what is the issue?

I had bad experience with some M-Audio in the past ( FW, incompatibility between controllers/ chipsets...).
When Motu opened up to pc environment there was a lot of issues too.
 
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Mind you, my main 'multi track recorder' run under XP! LOL! Because of hardware limitation ( the Aardvark cards i talked about... they sound very nice but are locked to XP as developpers refused to give access to source code. Maybe because they based Antelope Audio on something within it? 😉 ).

Seems crazy but compared to 02r96 and other 24/96 config they still sound good for much less money... the preamps are not bad too. 😉

Abit more bulky however ( 8 units for pc rack and 32i/o with 16 preamp with phantom, 16 without).
 
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I like Motu gear, but I'm not going to comment much as the PC-DSP I'm going to build hasn't been decided on yet specs wise. I'm unsure whether the surrounds will also be active and run off the PC, or passive, so I don't know which I/O interface I'll use. I was going to use it as my DAW too, but that looks a little complicated to do and as I only need a couple of channels at a time, might just build another PC with the parts I have laying around and add a Scarlett 4i4 or similar.
 
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krivium said:
Iamjackalope,
Which soundcard reference?
Have you figured what is the issue?

I had bad experience with some M-Audio in the past ( FW, incompatibility between controllers/ chipsets...).
When Motu opened up to pc environment there was a lot of issues too.
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I just know that my rather expensive and very nice sound card, the ASUS Essence STX II, that I had in my previous Intel I7, Win 7 desktop without any issues at all wouldn't work for nothin when I tried to install it into my new AMD Ryzen socket 570 desktop that I built a short time ago. According to ASUS their answer to all of the people that where having this problem was...It ain't compatible. That was all they had to say about it. As far as I was able to discern by roaming the various computer geek sites it had something to do with the manner in which the card is mapped. It was trying to use a chip that wasn't there anymore and was basically a driver problem. In typical ASUS fashion there was no support and no updated drivers to be forthcoming. So basically my $400.00 sound card was no good on my new system. It still works with new Intel systems just not new AMD systems. I don't know of any other sound cards that have this problem but I suggested he look into what ever card he may buy before he buy's it just to make sure because he has a system a lot like mine.
 
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krivium said:
Focusrite,Rme and Motu are standard semi pro products. Very good in my experience. If you can find second hand do it. And don't trust the 'newer is better'.
I've not used recent Steinberg gear but the one i have were Cubase/Nuendo oriented despite use of Asio. Won't be usefull to you.

Don't be on a rush to buy something, there is things to consider beforehands.

Your journey is going to be a marathon not a sprint. Be ready to calm down yourself and being patient there is a lot to learn 😉
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For sure, I haven't bought anything now, I'm just evaluating all the alternatives.
 
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I'm sorry for you about the situation Iamjackalope.

I've had similar issues in the past and why i recommend semi/pro interface: a product can't live in this market if it cannot be used. With web we are now aware of issues very fast and brands can't let us without answer, consummer market is different: mass product driven: who cares about customers.

Never let windows take care of audio is the first thing you learn in studio world.
 
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krivium said:
Mind you, my main 'multi track recorder' run under XP! LOL! Because of hardware limitation ( the Aardvark cards i talked about... they sound very nice but are locked to XP as developpers refused to give access to source code. Maybe because they based Antelope Audio on something within it? 😉 ).
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I once came into possession of a pro audio sound card that was also locked but to Windows 98. Sort of. The company that made it was called Mayo I think? It listed for $75,000.00. It was about foot long and had 10 channels. It came with a break out box for all of the various I/O's pro audio connections, XLR mic inputs, line in/out, loop backs, midi and FX you name it. The thing was that it was a 16 bit card and was incompatible with 32 bit systems like XP which is probably why I ended up with it. It came from a large recording studio in Hollywood that threw it out when they upgraded to Mac 4's running Pro Tools. So yea this card was thrown out and all of those big half a million dollar Neave mixing boards where stuffed into storage closets only to end up getting scrapped later on.
 
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krivium said:
The pro of dsp:
Dedicated units which gives everything you need to perform their tasks. Iow ( in other words) less risk to have something making trouble along the way...

Cons they are 'locked'. Minidsp HD change the game about that however: they have FIR capability so you can create a profile including anything you want into ( xover, eq, room correction,... whatever IIR or FIR). Their real limitation is so linked to cpu power but as Brett stated even a Celeron is ok for this tasks.
There is (usually) no microphone preamp and ADC ( converters) present and you'll need them ( you'll need to measure so you'll need a mic too). So even if cheaper at first sight you'll need a soundcard and a computer as well as mic, cable and stand. Once all taken into account this is not as cheap anymore...

Pro for computer based:
Open architecture. You can choose each components individually and 'upgrade' if you want to. Your soundcard will integrate mic dedicated input so you can run everything you need from only one box ( measurement, process, your player,...).

Cons:
It's an open architecture! 😉 it is easier to get lost when possibilities are endless. And it doesn't take into account the risk of incompatibility or bugs... iow if you are not ready to troubleshoot don't do it!


Brett and i have close configurations but we come from pro world. We are used to do that kind of things and can handle issues either from experience either because we learned it.
By itself it took a good amount of time of my former works as studio engineer ( deal with software/computer) and as i taught those techniques in an audio school i know we are not all equal to this things: some people doesn't understand this whatever you do... Your a geek so it shouldn't be an issue for you, but you'll need to study this ( as well as how to take measurements and interpret them).

It won't come in a day or two, not even in weeks in my experience.
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I've been paying a lot of attention to your words, a big problem is the language barrier, many things you write "sound" confusing, the https://translate.google.com/ tool is not very "intelligent". I don't know if my words are confusing to you.
I do believe it will be a great journey, I am thinking of taking an audio pro course (class course for sound technicians), it is taught by a local engineer, I believe this will help me a lot to understand the help provided by you.
 
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krivium said:
Could you tell us what are the media you use for playback? Do you have analog and or dedicated source ( Tape/cassette players, TT ( vinyl turntable), CD, receiver, streaming,...).
It could help too to define a 'best' choice of characteristics for your needs.
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I don't have a reliable source, just an old Yamaha dsp A1 receiver. I'm using the computer with a dedicated card (this is temporary)
I'm quite inclined to buy the Integrado Musical Fidelity M6 Encore I didn't get a chance to hear it, but it has good connectivity (I'm open to suggestions)
This is the physical store I like to buy: https://pioneerinter.com/buscar/amplifier
 
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Musical fidelity. Ouch!
4500euros for a pc with a nice case and a converter... that is crazy to me!
For the same amount of money you can have the same dsp processor i own, a complete pc ( including digital soundcard) and everything you need for analog if you want a TT!

Almost a full mastering grade studio facility gear ( it is what i used my gear for).
 
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Silvio Novais said:
I've been paying a lot of attention to your words, a big problem is the language barrier, many things you write "sound" confusing, the https://translate.google.com/ tool is not very "intelligent". I don't know if my words are confusing to you.
I do believe it will be a great journey, I am thinking of taking an audio pro course (class course for sound technicians), it is taught by a local engineer, I believe this will help me a lot to understand the help provided by you.
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No i think we understand you ( for most of what you say). I'm sorry if my english doesn't translate well, you know it's a foreign language for me too. And i'm mostly self taught on this through reading manuals and technical papers, forum and discussion with friends, customers,... i know how frustrating it can be. And how weird is my way to express myself in english...

If you want me to try to explain differently don't hesitate to ask or contact me via pm ( personal message), i'll do my best to help.
But there are technical things you'll have to learn by yourself: i (we) can point to paper to read or sites on internet but they'll all be in english. Don't let that barrier language discourage you, as for many of us you'll be more fluent in some month just by reading here.

Audio course is nice. Better if you can ask custom contents relative to what interest you the most ( i doubt you'll find interest on how to record a drummer or sax player for loudspeakers built 😉 ....but this is interesting nonetheless... and can help understand things related to loudspeakers in my view- after all a dynamic microphone is just the same thing as a loudspeaker but in reverse! 😀 ).

Yes it'll help if you can talk in your native language to a technician.
My big mouth is often wide open but there is guys in here which have 20years more experience than i have! I really think their pov ( point of view) have more weight than mine. On some things i have experiences few have here because i was professional. But i'm here to learn and share, like you. 😉
 
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krivium said:
Musical fidelity. Ouch!
4500euros for a pc with a nice case and a converter... that is crazy to me!
For the same amount of money you can have the same dsp processor i own, a complete pc ( including digital soundcard) and everything you need for analog if you want a TT!

Almost a full mastering grade studio facility gear ( it is what i used my gear for).
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Could you show me links to everything you recommend? I don't understand what equipment these are and how they would push my boxes.

🟡I wouldn't pay 4500 euros on Musical fidelity. Paraguay is a free zone for imports, it would leave without taxes. I asked for a quote, as soon as it arrives I'll report back.
I'm not a rich individual, I'm a backhoe operator and mechanic lathe, things are hard in this "pandemic" period, but the desire is greater than the condition!
 
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MF= Musical Fidelity

It is crazy overpriced.

I can link to my configuration but it won't help you: this is not what i advice you to buy.

Because : it is far too complicated to configurate for your needs, it will be availlable only on second hand market (it is now only availlable new integrated to some LabGruppen amplifiers), you can find 'better' quality converters within recent soundcards and a pc will do the same things for free.

My (older) pc ( some older I5 processor or maybe I7 - i don't remember as it does it's job so i don't care about it- with 8g ram and motherboard is one of the last with pci slot) have an RME digital in/out AES/EBU card https://fr.shopping.rakuten.com/off...kE2he8Aor_YIOlBmeH2aGNNn-DeExIwsaAhWjEALw_wcB

It is connected using AES/EBU transfer protocol to a Dolby Lake LP4D12 ( dsp):
https://images.app.goo.gl/KeoBpEwCUcHV9tmm7

The Lake have different mode of operation and allow me to be either a xover ( cross over) either some equalizer either a mix of both on multiple channels.
It's converters ( 4× adc which convert analogue signal to digital and 12x dac - which convert digital to analogue) are assignable freely either to internal processing or digital in/out ( connection to the RME soundcard within the pc).

If you want to take a look at manual of it it is here:

https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&sou...8QFnoECBMQAQ&usg=AOvVaw0Rpk4HquCimZSo0jdQ8aA8

I think you'll see why i don't recommend it to a beginner. 😉
Even for someone used to this kind of processors it is not the most easy to set up...

The soundcards we talked about are more or less equal to the ADC and DAC within the Lake and the software used on the pc to the software within the Lake.
 
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