Just the other day Bloomberg financial news spoke of "demand destruction" within the framework of high gas prices. Indeed, the 1973 oil embargo increased crude oil by 400% but gasoline prices went up some forty percent...not nearly as high as todays prices. The upshot was an odd changing of values of what constituted a "good car"...the new more MPG friendly, smaller Ford Mustang II of 1974 was perfectly situated for the occasion...they sold like hotcakes.
Now this doesn't mean everyone might be fawning over an electric car trying to "save me from the tyranny of high gas prices!"...as logic & reason often go out the window with such times...no, paying $50K for a brand-new more efficient car is false logic...the efficiency gains taking many years to be realized.
Simply driving less & using your own two-feet to get around will work wonders.
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Now this doesn't mean everyone might be fawning over an electric car trying to "save me from the tyranny of high gas prices!"...as logic & reason often go out the window with such times...no, paying $50K for a brand-new more efficient car is false logic...the efficiency gains taking many years to be realized.
Simply driving less & using your own two-feet to get around will work wonders.
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That may be, but we have to import 50% of the food we consume. Need more than farmed salmon to survive.
Some well regarded statistics people are estimating the peak cost of Diesel to possibly touch 40NOK/literthis summer, that's over 4 Euros.
And personal health is likely to increase as a side effect.
I found this really interesting(for me) video which looks at a very obvious solution for most of the energy problems, price of production, maintenance and delivery and the polution we face today in a pretty constructive and skillful manner and I remember when I was a child during the comunist era that there was a famous propagandistic hymn for peace stipulating this all bad "energy" conversion into something more practical .It was just cheap talk afterall, cause I lived through those times and the polution in my home town and many others was fantastically high due to a very high poluting inefficient industry with no regard to human health even though we barely had any utilities at all when we needed, like 2...4 hours of centralized heat , electricity or gas daily to make food and I used to make my school homeworks at candles light for about 6 years until 1989 while our parrents would often have no petrol to use for cars( mine had no car either ...) the prices weren't high for these utilities , actually they were fantastically low compared to today's prices , except there was no utility at all for 20 hours in a day, not even cold watter while hot watter was available for only a few hours every week, no central heating at user's disposal ... , but some of the propaganda is always looking for more optimistic theoretical ways of solving hard problems for everybody while somebody would always enjoy all the chocolate box for himself , yet optimism shouldn't always be a bad thing and I think we really need some big chunk of comforting optimism today.
Maybe this is world applied politics in the original meaning of the greek word, but it seems to be based on hard science instead of senseless speech , yet I'd be curious if anyone else investigated the data the guy stipulates as fact :
Maybe this is world applied politics in the original meaning of the greek word, but it seems to be based on hard science instead of senseless speech , yet I'd be curious if anyone else investigated the data the guy stipulates as fact :
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People have been falling for many things for over ... forever. Examples closer to home, audio cables, DAC jitter.
At last, I see the truth about so the called Renewables, and nuclear that is indeed the answer to what's going on.
One very important thing missing: Fast neutron reactor ( over breeders ): France ASTRID project.
France Phoenix and Super Phoenix that proved over a year with no flaw, this technology.
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I have seen this 50k number many times now, but a good electric car can be had for about 25k. I have a Hyundai electric, and am very happy with it. Alledgedly it is the most fuel efficient car in the world at the moment: driving not too fast it can do 10 KWh /100 kilometer, that is with current French electricity prices about 1,7 US dollar /100km. 😏
Many electric car buyers choose rather expensive models, and often they are quite big and heavy, and use much more energy. But you don't have to.
Someone did say that in that in the end, an electric car is a coal powered car, as the electricity came from burning coal...
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Gijser, Agreed, the original Ioniq is very nice, I got one of the very first ones. Only upgraded to the Ioniq 5 for the ability to pull a hanger and 4wd is really nice, used to get stuck several times each winter with the old one on icy roads.
Naresh, a Gas/Diesel/whatever cars essentially uses about the same amount of electricity as an EV, because the refining process is not possible without applying some form of power.
Naresh, a Gas/Diesel/whatever cars essentially uses about the same amount of electricity as an EV, because the refining process is not possible without applying some form of power.
With electricity you can choose how to generate it. Wind, sun, hydro, it is possible. With fossil fuel there is no choice. Earth is not happy.
People think electricity comes from the wall...
1. It comes from a heat cycle, water is heated to steam, and used to spin turbines, which turn generators.
Nuclear, coal, oil, gas, whatever.
2. Turbines turned by wind or water.
2A. Turbines using fuel directly, as in helicopter and prop jet engines. And some power plants with gas turbines.
3. Increasingly, solar..
Proportionally, different areas have different figures based on fuel availability and geography.
Where did the power to charge your battery come from?
That was the question...which does not occur to most people.
1. It comes from a heat cycle, water is heated to steam, and used to spin turbines, which turn generators.
Nuclear, coal, oil, gas, whatever.
2. Turbines turned by wind or water.
2A. Turbines using fuel directly, as in helicopter and prop jet engines. And some power plants with gas turbines.
3. Increasingly, solar..
Proportionally, different areas have different figures based on fuel availability and geography.
Where did the power to charge your battery come from?
That was the question...which does not occur to most people.
Hydro power in my case.
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And I have solar panels on my roof now, they are making increasingly more power each day, have to see how they generate power throughout the year since they got installed at the darkest time of year and I have no reference. But it should be good.
Wind (or Solar), NOT REALLY.
These energies are intermittent, electricity is not massively storable effectively.
Hence, they MUST be complemented with another power source when NO wind ( or sun ).
Winds over all of Europe actually gives electricity only 25% of the time over lands.
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I’m driving a bit more slowly to keep up the mpg. Have a long road trip planned for France in the Spring. That’s going to be expensive even at 45 or more mpg. What is much worse is projected cost of gas for heating. Many will find it becomes unaffordable.
Upstream of Niagara Falls is Lake Erie; An ecological disaster from long ago, not related to the hydro plant.
( Memories from 1970 ).
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