So we are back to talking about gas again. 💨 I thought this thread is about gas as in gasoline (liquid fuel) prices... 

Or cheap excellent go-anywhere public transport!!!!Americans on average live in much larger cities compared to their european counterparts, therefore they have to drive quite a bit longer for their work commutes. Most americans don't have the luxuries of "riding on a bike" to work as in europe.
Efficiency takes on a new meaning when a single Diesel engine and driver can carry 60 people 15 miles away as in Buenos Aires, for 15 cents each.
Or a train can carry people 40 miles away for ten cents.
If compression ratio is 10:1 or above I'd feel safe using 93 octane. If that isnt enough a bottle of supplement is necessary. At least if you want to avoid detonation or a catastrophic mishap. I seen a piston with a hole clean through from the guy using low octane fuel when he shouldn't have.Fuel in North America can be cheap in relation to world prices... but try going to work a quarter mile away if your only form of transportation is a nitro powered top fuel funny car. This consumes between four and five gallons during a quarter-mile run, thats between 16 and 20 gallons per mile! And it doesn't take normal 20 to 30% nitro either, rather 90%! Current prices for this fuel are hard to find, but I see that Amazon.ca has 20% nitro fuel on sale at $61.91 a quart (free delivery). Assuming the car would even run on this stuff, at 4 quarts to the gallon, and a consumption of 40 gallons (round trip), this amounts to just over $9,900 dollars Canadian (before taxes), just to go to work and back. If you consider an 8 hour work day, the break even hourly wage is about $1240 per hour. As you can likely imagine this kind of wage is becoming increasingly hard to find.
https://www.knowyourparts.com/techn...(87 octane) or,maintain a healthy fuel system.
I thought this thread is about gas as in gasoline (liquid fuel) prices...![]()
Should've called it petrol then! 😉
That's a beautiful thought, but I live in Canada, where taking a train from Union to Aldershot (about 25 miles) costs 13.15$CAD.Or cheap excellent go-anywhere public transport!!!!
Efficiency takes on a new meaning when a single Diesel engine and driver can carry 60 people 15 miles away as in Buenos Aires, for 15 cents each.
Or a train can carry people 40 miles away for ten cents.
Ouch!!!That's a beautiful thought, but I live in Canada, where taking a train from Union to Aldershot (about 25 miles) costs 13.15$CAD.
Just checked not trusting my memory as before: Buenos Aires (Country Capital) to La Plata (Province Capital): 60km so about 40 miles, U$12 cents; to Mar del Plata, a Tourist City 400km/250 miles away, 6USD First Class, 7.25 USD in a Pullman Wagon.
Having a British tradition, I expected Canadian railroads to be more integrated into Society, meaning cheaper and more widely used.
Maybe it´s the bad influence from your Cousins to the South, he he 🙂
Nope. Since Canada is such a big place, and rail has been an afterthought ALA USA, we have trains that go 150km/h tops, and the cheapest ticket from Toronto to Montréal (550km) is 49$CAD if you book it like 3 weeks in advance.
The last time I had to take the train, I needed a "next train to Toronto" ticket from Kingston (~250km) and it cost 87$CAD plus taxes and fees and that was after a CAA discount of 10%.
Here's what the train looked like:
It's honestly cheaper to fly than take a train sometimes. in 2020, me and the other half did round trip from Toronto to Montréal for 200$CAD. That's cheaper than fual and parking 🙂
The last time I had to take the train, I needed a "next train to Toronto" ticket from Kingston (~250km) and it cost 87$CAD plus taxes and fees and that was after a CAA discount of 10%.
Here's what the train looked like:
It's honestly cheaper to fly than take a train sometimes. in 2020, me and the other half did round trip from Toronto to Montréal for 200$CAD. That's cheaper than fual and parking 🙂
When I go home to Canada, I have to cringe at the gas prices. Passing through Hope BC a few years ago, I set the limit at C$100 and didn't realize until later that I had hit it. Maybe I should have drove back to the US to get to Alberta. They were doing that when the rain destroyed highway 5 etc.
But I notice here in the USA that small franchise gas stations are much more volatile prices. I have to wonder if that is the local owner covering their butt or pressure from their corporate affiliation. I go to Sam's gas (~Walmart) and the price is ~10% cheaper when prices are peaking. But I drive reasonably efficient vehicles (4 banger Accord and Outback) and the price can peak and fall again before I have to fill up again. Next car will be a hybrid is not fully electric, if I live that long since modern cars last ~20 years.
But I notice here in the USA that small franchise gas stations are much more volatile prices. I have to wonder if that is the local owner covering their butt or pressure from their corporate affiliation. I go to Sam's gas (~Walmart) and the price is ~10% cheaper when prices are peaking. But I drive reasonably efficient vehicles (4 banger Accord and Outback) and the price can peak and fall again before I have to fill up again. Next car will be a hybrid is not fully electric, if I live that long since modern cars last ~20 years.
It's mostly because there is more tax on Canadian gasoline, and that we send out crude to the USA to be refined (for the most part) and then buy it back.
If a government wanted to, they could supply Canada with cheap homemade fuel, but this isn't Venezuela (where they pay 2.5 cents US per litre)...
If a government wanted to, they could supply Canada with cheap homemade fuel, but this isn't Venezuela (where they pay 2.5 cents US per litre)...
Not related at all to latest developments but for the last 2 years or so have been mumbling about building a small (2-3kW) burn anything steam powered electrical generator, which would cover basic home needs (fridge, washing machine, lights, Electronics), the electrical equivalent to the ubiquitous small Gas powered generator ... but no Gas needed.Lol, at this rate he better burn the bank notes to heat a boiler and go steam powered.
It did occur to me that the alcoholic drinks (ie liquor) would probably be cheaper to run the car on!
Hybrid/working from home will return to reduce costs.
And I mean burn anything, from any flammable fluid including vegetable or old car oil, alcohol of any kind, wood carbon, coal, lint, wood, rendered fat, corn husks, peanut hulls, worn tyres, you-name-it.
And I mean burn anything...
That would not be allowed in Scotland where we have "Smoke Control Areas".
My son returning from Buenos Aires to our home in Mar del Plata the other day , was deciding between train or bus travel, opted for the bus because of the two, three day "time to get a ticket", as opposed to the three week time to get a train ticket. The train was cheaper at appx. 800 Pesos, the bus, more at 2200 Pesos. BUT, the ancient trains had recently been replaced by new versions & he says they are quite nice. Do the math for an exchange rate.Ouch!!!
Just checked not trusting my memory as before: Buenos Aires (Country Capital) to La Plata (Province Capital): 60km so about 40 miles, U$12 cents; to Mar del Plata, a Tourist City 400km/250 miles away, 6USD First Class, 7.25 USD in a Pullman Wagon.
Having a British tradition, I expected Canadian railroads to be more integrated into Society, meaning cheaper and more widely used.
Maybe it´s the bad influence from your Cousins to the South, he he 🙂
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I got interested and searched about a DIY steam engine for a place I have plenty of wood.Not related at all to latest developments but for the last 2 years or so have been mumbling about building a small (2-3kW) burn anything steam powered electrical generator, which would cover basic home needs (fridge, washing machine, lights, Electronics), the electrical equivalent to the ubiquitous small Gas powered generator ... but no Gas needed.
And I mean burn anything, from any flammable fluid including vegetable or old car oil, alcohol of any kind, wood carbon, coal, lint, wood, rendered fat, corn husks, peanut hulls, worn tyres, you-name-it.
I found discussions but nothing usable about building one. From these I found, custom steam engines would have very poor efficiency, so it is better to go the gazogene route: Generating gas from wood ( gas = Carbon monoxide ) and use it to run a modified gasoline engine ( some junk car engine without its carburetor ).
Alternatively, running an engine from about anything: That is what the original Diesel engine was...Able to run on butter, vegetable oil, jam, used engine oil, what have you.
Nitro cars have compression ratios at 6.5:1 or 7:1 range, hence an 87 octane rating seems fine... though not sure about the compression ratios of top fuel nitro funny trackers that dirt poor farmers are using in mid-west.If compression ratio is 10:1 or above I'd feel safe using 93 octane. If that isnt enough a bottle of supplement is necessary. At least if you want to avoid detonation or a catastrophic mishap. I seen a piston with a hole clean through from the guy using low octane fuel when he shouldn't have.
https://www.knowyourparts.com/technical-resources/fuel-system/fuel-additives-octane-ratings-explained/#:~:text=Supplementing regular (87 octane) or,maintain a healthy fuel system.
We got my son, daughter-in-law in N California a Generac with natgas and propane supplies. In case of earthquake the natgas gets shut off and the propane will keep them several days.Not related at all to latest developments but for the last 2 years or so have been mumbling about building a small (2-3kW) burn anything steam powered electrical generator, which would cover basic home needs (fridge, washing machine, lights, Electronics), the electrical equivalent to the ubiquitous small Gas powered generator ... but no Gas needed.
Pacific Gas and Electric gets very poor marks for stewardship. and they've been woefully poor in maintaining their infrastructure.
this comment as well as that video by gravitas have taken everything out of context: one would think that Ukraine is an oil reach country or something. We did not see these kind of price hikes when they prevented Iran and Venezuela to sell significant amounts of oil and they DO have it. Also only 3% of US oil supply was sourced from Russia and the US giving up on the source should have no bearing on the prices on this continent. The increase in prices has nothing to do with those media proclaimed reasons (a.k.a. propaganda) and has everything to do with the WEF's agenda for us in the end "to own nothing and be happy"; the only way to get there is by putting us through shocks including pushing Europe into recession by denying them Russian natural gas supply, by dismantling the international bank settlement system by stealing property of some major banks, disrupting trade and effectively waging war on others who aspire to sovereignty; basically it is all "chaos by design". They are not even secretive about it. K. Schwab wrote a book and on wef website they outright called the pandemic "a unique opportunity" to fundamentally change the society and that in the end "every individual will be given a new social contract". What do you think your day will look like and your life with that new contract? Better? Livable by current standards and expectations? Feel ready to be genetically edited and "enhanced"? ..Still worried about the gas prices and want to explain them by market movement?.........then higher gas prices because of a certain "special operation"/outright war will most certainly make an impact. .....
Niigata in Japan has done work on small - 40 kW - turbines, and has made engines that can run on landfill gas, which can have high levels of contaminants like sulfur. Also, methane - to ethane ratios can change from the same point, and so can flow rates.
Burn anything? That becomes a steam cycle, needs a lot of maintenance.
If possible, solar or small ("bicycle") windmill solutions exist, from 500 watts on a 1.5 meter blade size for the smallest ones.
Hybrid wind + solar solutions with battery storage are also made.
Burn anything? That becomes a steam cycle, needs a lot of maintenance.
If possible, solar or small ("bicycle") windmill solutions exist, from 500 watts on a 1.5 meter blade size for the smallest ones.
Hybrid wind + solar solutions with battery storage are also made.
On a more serious note in speaking of "knock" and "pre-ignition" (in the link) I recently acquired a 2016 Honda CRV as a buyout of a vehicle that my daughter leased. My original vehicle was a 2006 Honda CRV. Both have 4 cylinder engines. The 2006 has the engine light on, that when diagnosed it turned up as a "knock" sensor issue. Just as a test of fuel costs I decided to travel to my daughters place and back and compare total fuel costs, whereupon the newer vehicle took $15.20 of fuel and the old $23.60... a shocking $8.40 more, or about $25 dollars more per tank full.
Although the old vehicle is aerodynamically more of a blunt instrument and therefore would take some more fuel as a result, the difference appears irreconcilable unless one considers a knock sensor failure. From the web "if the knock sensor is dead, the ECU will know this and go into a sort of safe ignition advance mapping in which your performance will just plain suck and the engine won't have much pull". In other words the electronic control unit (ECU) will advance the ignition timing past the point of ideal fuel economy, this to protect the engine, and that in so doing will pour unspent fuel out the tailpipe. In my case this seems about $25 per tank. Seems time for a cost/benefit analysis.
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