Modern Day "Bose 901" Type Speaker?

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#23
Except when you record that in concert hall with all that direct vs reflected information, you are already having it in the recording.
Now you are adding another 1/9 reflections in your room, which are pathetic approximation of concert hall, since its too small.
Its like echo on top of another echo, its a mess.
 
#24
Definitely, not arguing that, but it happens on all speakers once you are listening in your living room sitting in a comfortable sofa, a few meters away.

Only guys who avoid that, at least in great part, are Home recordists, mixing on a table using ProTools or something, and with a couple close up monitors at both sides of the monitor screen.
 
#27
adason said:
Except when you record that in concert hall with all that direct vs reflected information, you are already having it in the recording.
Now you are adding another 1/9 reflections in your room, which are pathetic approximation of concert hall, since its too small.
Its like echo on top of another echo, its a mess.
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Well as I see it the standard (since 70's?) is close mick:ing so I'm not so sure really. But the stereo system is so broken so it's hard to do fully logic reasoning around it in it's current state.

We really need something new and theoretically coherent from string pluck to arm hair raise.

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#30
a local WV band 'The Bing Brothers" (who played "traditional Appalachian music" as opposed to "Bluegrass") used 802 with vocals-guitar fiddle mandolin (and probably upright bass -I'll have to ask the bass player if he also ran through their PA)

802 were a massive improvement in clarity over their previous Sunn and Peavey setups. IIRC one Sunn system used two (?) CTS12" whizzer cone speakers (about the same as the later Beta 12LTA) plus several piezo tweeters -- just horrible.

what's the light bulb limiter circuit for 800 look like ?
 
#31
TNT said:
Well as I see it the standard (since 70's?) is close mick:ing so I'm not so sure really. But the stereo system is so broken so it's hard to do fully logic reasoning around it in it's current state.

We really need something new and theoretically coherent from string pluck to arm hair raise.

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70ties or now, close micking or in the concert hall, it was sound engineered to have the right amount of delay, echo, reverb.
Every voice on multitrack recording had its own delay added. Otherwise it would sound atrocious. Have you ever heard famous singers track before all the compressors, echos, reverbs are added? No recording is made just like that. You would never want to listen to any of those recordings.

With good signal source, good headphone amplifier and headphones, you can clearly hear all the artificial reverbs, easy to spot.

What about those strictly directional instruments, like the trumpets? They are horns, you know, very directional. Do you run to your speakers to cover rear side of amar boze? Or you are just fine with 90% of trumpet facing away from the audience?
Miles used to do that. He must have had boze speakers.

Anyway, whatever makes you happy.
 
#32
What right amount of "delay, echo, reverb"? As there is no e2e standard, there is no right. As I see it, 99% of concert hall recordings are closed mick:ed.

A multi micked track can't be correctly reproduced, only in a "nice way" as there is no real reference. Anyway, I was in my post talking about reproduction of a live musical event but you answered with how mult-track recording work so we are not on the same page it seems...

Re: your trumpet story... well.. I don't share your view on how things work.

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#33
I think the Bose look great. I think that if someone wanted a great sounding speaker in that form factor they could use an 8 inch woofer on the back and a good full range on the front. Use the angled rear panel to help load the woofer. This would be a fast setup that would be more refined than the 901 but would not have the total output.
 
#35
Another thing is that not many of us have ideal listening rooms with anechoic walls (books lining the library, insulated ceiling and carpet will come close), or concert hall designs, that would come close to reproducing the sound.

But I know somebody who spent $100,000 on a valve based system (most would be duties, our import costs are high), and he says his system makes you feel you are in the recording studio with the performers.
He lives in a big city, I have not seen his room treatment.

So, the reactions to Bose have ranged from Wow, to yuck!

Whatever makes you happy...
 
#36
Back in 1990 I ended up with a pair of Bose powered PA speakers. Sort of an overgrown 801 with a 12" woofer inside. The small drivers faced the audience. They would get terrifically loud and sounded surprisingly good. I even enjoyed listening to my CDs over them. I've never seen that model before or since, but they were by far the best Bose I've ever heard. Right in line with the standard Bose approach, but much better sounding. And powered.
 
#37
Bose had some lines intended for studio and hotel type use, those were not advertised in magazines, maybe they were helped to be sold by ads in professional magazines .
I once picked up Philips PA speakers with transformers inside them, they were intended for auditorium use.

Maybe one of those were the ones you obtained. I think you got them away from a store, a private or direct sale.
 
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