No logic in that. If they were alien, and wanted to be seen, we would see them clearly. And probably attempt to communicate.
Vague, fuzzy photos do not suggest an end result of "look at me" unless they are jokers as per Douglas Adams.
And, the evidence is not overwhelming. That's the point. It's sadly underwhelming.
I'd love them to be real aliens, but logic and probability says no.
Vague, fuzzy photos do not suggest an end result of "look at me" unless they are jokers as per Douglas Adams.
And, the evidence is not overwhelming. That's the point. It's sadly underwhelming.
I'd love them to be real aliens, but logic and probability says no.
This interview is interesting. Very long but at the end of the day it's hard to
discredit him.
David Fravor: UFOs, Aliens, Fighter Jets, and Aerospace Engineering | Lex Fridman Podcast #122 - YouTube
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I'll be bailing out from this thread too, simply no point arguing a point when folk think there's overwhelming evidence for "craft" despite that in fact the evidence is so weak.
Image quality should be blamed on the one who took it or the technology available at that time.
How about waiting till tomorrow? You know, the day that they (Pentagon) are supposed to release the UFO documents to the public...
I'll be bailing out from this thread too, simply no point arguing a point when folk think there's overwhelming evidence for "craft" despite that in fact the evidence is so weak.
Nah, let him go. A mind so closed as to still find humor in any of this is not worth the effort.
You are displaying a concerning lack of reading comprehension. I give you the benefit of the doubt that it's not intentional.
@KenNewton
If they are visiting a far less advanced civilization, I doubt they’d bother trying to say ‘hey lookee here we are’. What’s the point? Why would they come here? If they can do FTL, have robots and ultra far future technology (UFFT) it means they can terra form whole planets, have got fusion licked, can mine asteroids and moons at will, and have worked out how to get through the developmental bottlenecks like climate change, overpopulation, their equivalent of intractable illnesses like cancer and Alzheimer’s etc.
If I was an advanced alien I’d pretty quickly come to the conclusion that the current dominant species on this planet were king size a-holes and move on. Nothing to see here stuff.
The point about the fuzzy photos etc it’s absolutely correct. There are 2 billion smart phones on the planet with cameras. Where are the pictures?
So, maybe I’m totally wrong. Why do you think they’d come here and flash their lights at us?
If they are visiting a far less advanced civilization, I doubt they’d bother trying to say ‘hey lookee here we are’. What’s the point? Why would they come here? If they can do FTL, have robots and ultra far future technology (UFFT) it means they can terra form whole planets, have got fusion licked, can mine asteroids and moons at will, and have worked out how to get through the developmental bottlenecks like climate change, overpopulation, their equivalent of intractable illnesses like cancer and Alzheimer’s etc.
If I was an advanced alien I’d pretty quickly come to the conclusion that the current dominant species on this planet were king size a-holes and move on. Nothing to see here stuff.
The point about the fuzzy photos etc it’s absolutely correct. There are 2 billion smart phones on the planet with cameras. Where are the pictures?
So, maybe I’m totally wrong. Why do you think they’d come here and flash their lights at us?
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Yes, very hard. Carrier Squadron Commander Fravor's incident is a good example of what I meant by, corroborating evidence. 1) He was directed to the UFO's location by shipborne Aegis radar, 2) clearly observed (along with three other officers) and engaged the object for several minutes (not a sighting which took only a few seconds), 3) then recorded video of said object. That's coincident corroborating evidence.
The Earth is a life-filled garden planet, one which includes a relatively primitive, yet space faring civilization of 7 billion sentient beings who are as yet unaware that they are not alone. Struggling as a species to overcome the the reptilian part of their brains, and evolve ethically. This situation would seem likely to be of high interest and drama to a more advanced civilization, especially if they are benevolent.
What does any of that have to do with their interest in the development of this planet?
It sounds that we would be lucky if they are not you, or me. Meaning, maybe they have a higher sense of morality and understanding than us - not hard to imagine.
The point is faulty, because it presumes that they don't care about when, where or how they are observed.
As I've said, it's what makes sense if you wish to gradually introduce your presence in to the awareness of a population without causing panic.
I have to say that there are many individuals here displaying a lack of cognitive analysis. Most of the overt and repetitive appearances of UFOs are over military installations, and especially ones with nuclear capabilities. That includes ships. Those appearance seem to be mostly intentional and with no effort to camoflage themselves. Why is that? Doesn't it seem odd? Has it really not occurred to anyone reading about this why that is? To be blunt, can people really be that dense, or are you just pretending to be? It's a real question.
Look at it from a vantage point outside of yourself. The major militaries of the most powerful nations in the world have developed thermonuclear weapons capable of destroying each nations' adversaries. I see a lot of people worrying that another nation will get the technology first. Humans are doing what is typical for us: playing King of the Hill. Well, what if one nation acquired the UFO technology and vanquished its adversaries. This action would reinforce the primitive psychology that Might Makes Right. It would be like Nazi Germany where the nation that discovered it thinks of itself as a Master Civilization and attempts subjugation of other nations.
Any advanced civilization from outside of our world viewing these primitive behaviors would be appalled. It would only be a matter of time in their view that we would acquire the technology and be capable of interstellar travel. There would be imminent danger of that nation marauding through the galaxy and destroying whole worlds and civilizations with impunity. The evidence for that would be our own history technically superior nations plundering and enslaving less technologically able tribes. Do all of you really think that if interstellar technology exists, and that one of the nations on Earth acquired it, that the plundering marauding subjugating psychology that we possess would just stop?
What's happening is that they are letting the most powerful militaries in the world know that they could easily defeat and conquer ANY present Earthborn technology. They could also subjugate all the populations on Earth, IF THEY WANTED TO. But they don't want to. They instead are doing what all good teachers should do, they are trying to teach us by example that might does not make right.
Unfortunately it appears by observations of this forum that many people are just far too stupid to get that simple idea.
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Really guys, I just don’t understand the fascination and ‘belief’ you have in a claim that we have had advanced alien civilizations visit us. I hear story after story, claims of this and that about blurry videos and photos, that maybe they are more ‘ethically evolved’, they have come ‘to teach us’, the prefer to flash there lights at us, etc.
You know what this sounds exactly like? The R subject we cannot discuss on this forum.
Think about it and tell me I am wrong.
Is there life on other planets? Almost certainly and we will find it. Is the galaxy teaming with advanced alien civilizations? Almost certainly not.
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You know what this sounds exactly like? The R subject we cannot discuss on this forum.
Think about it and tell me I am wrong.
Is there life on other planets? Almost certainly and we will find it. Is the galaxy teaming with advanced alien civilizations? Almost certainly not.
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How can you write that with, what I presume is, a straight face? This isn't a question of belief or fascination, it's a question of the U.S. Military and Intelligence agencies acknowledging that this a real phenomena which they don't understand. Suggesting that opponents are acting mostly on belief or fascination is a dodge.
Religion, is the belief in things un-observed or unproven (I won't bother to suggest that belief that we are alone in the galaxy constitutes a religion, although others might.). These objects, however, are not un-observed. I'm not talking about their controlling intelligence. The 'A' word always derails any rational discussion. The fact that they have been observed, via different modes, is the reason we are debating them here. Think about that, and you tell us yourself whether you're wrong.
This is circular logic, which you have been using. Essentially, you conclude that visitation is impossible because you believe that we are the only advanced life in this galaxy, and our being the only advanced life in this galaxy means that alien visitation simply cannot be occurring. Speaking only for myself, I willingly concede that the probablity of alien visitation is very low, however, how can anyone assert with certitude that the probability is zero? Most arguments asserting that it is zero seem to be based on some version of the circular logic above.
@KenNewton
My face was completely straight when I wrote it. Show me the pictures. Show me pieces of alien aircraft or whatever. All we’ve got are blurry black and white IR cockpit footage and lots of uncorroborated reports elsewhere.
You assert there have been alien visitations and yet demand to know how I can be certain there cannot have been. My logic is not circular and it’s not ‘belief based. A statement of probability based upon a statistical analysis (see Anders Sandberg, Brandon Carter et al) is not a statement of belief. My view is that, given the research on the subject, it’s highly unlikely and I’m simply asking for hard evidence to prove otherwise. If you can produce it I’ll concede. It’s as simple as that
How you go from lights to advanced alien visitations in one paragraph or aliens stalking the military is the bit lacking rational scientific explanation IMV for the reasons I mentioned in an earlier post. I’m interested in ants, but I have no desire to teach them anything or to spend time with my head stuck in an anthill. They have absolutely nothing of interest that I want. If there are advanced aliens out there, I would imagine they’d feel that about us.
This is not scientific investigation. It’s a faith based approach requiring belief in something when what is required are hard facts. And if it cannot be explained it should remain for the time being exactly that: unexplained.
My face was completely straight when I wrote it. Show me the pictures. Show me pieces of alien aircraft or whatever. All we’ve got are blurry black and white IR cockpit footage and lots of uncorroborated reports elsewhere.
You assert there have been alien visitations and yet demand to know how I can be certain there cannot have been. My logic is not circular and it’s not ‘belief based. A statement of probability based upon a statistical analysis (see Anders Sandberg, Brandon Carter et al) is not a statement of belief. My view is that, given the research on the subject, it’s highly unlikely and I’m simply asking for hard evidence to prove otherwise. If you can produce it I’ll concede. It’s as simple as that
How you go from lights to advanced alien visitations in one paragraph or aliens stalking the military is the bit lacking rational scientific explanation IMV for the reasons I mentioned in an earlier post. I’m interested in ants, but I have no desire to teach them anything or to spend time with my head stuck in an anthill. They have absolutely nothing of interest that I want. If there are advanced aliens out there, I would imagine they’d feel that about us.
This is not scientific investigation. It’s a faith based approach requiring belief in something when what is required are hard facts. And if it cannot be explained it should remain for the time being exactly that: unexplained.
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When you say "whatever", wouldn't that include blurry pictures?
It's an agreement based discussion (see quote below). For that matter, it's also a disagreement based discussion, whether it is on an evidence, belief or just opinion.