^ the horn, Frugal XL or Brodgar (better if he has the real estate) if he wants the most dynamic.
Quality tube amp, (I prefer Single Ended Triodes) with solid power supply for image and soundstage depth, width, and height along with also having good front end source components.
Quality tube amp, (I prefer Single Ended Triodes) with solid power supply for image and soundstage depth, width, and height along with also having good front end source components.
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Frugel-Horn XL and Brodgar are the 2 most notable ones.
http://wodendesign.com/planset/Brodgar-title.pdf
dave
Can you get 8’ away, with the backs of the horns near the walls?
Do you have walls you could mount Cornucopias on?
dave
Do you have walls you could mount Cornucopias on?
dave
Why?
The speakers are designed to be placed relatively close to the wall. Th e depth of the boxes puts the driver at least a half metre out.
Of course the room does play a role, if you are having to listen nearfirld to keep a lot of the speaker away from room influences then these likely won’t work in your roo.
dave
dave
The speakers are designed to be placed relatively close to the wall. Th e depth of the boxes puts the driver at least a half metre out.
Of course the room does play a role, if you are having to listen nearfirld to keep a lot of the speaker away from room influences then these likely won’t work in your roo.
dave
dave
The sound image is not optimal when the speakers are placed near the wall. I have learned and tried different placements for speakers.
The best is 1/5 from the depth of the room and at least 0.8m from the side walls. Then there should be at least 2 m between the speakers. You should sit 1.18 x the distance between the speakers for optimal listening.
The best is 1/5 from the depth of the room and at least 0.8m from the side walls. Then there should be at least 2 m between the speakers. You should sit 1.18 x the distance between the speakers for optimal listening.
In your room that may be true, but it is not the case that that is some kind of invariable rule that applies to all loudspeakers and all room acoustics. If it were, no boundary-loaded speakers, corner-designs, arrays meant for wall-mounting (and specifically designed for enhanced stereo imaging), or high-end in-wall systems would work. Since they do, QED.
You should try to get rid of the impact of the room. A corner can reinforce the base by 9 db. It will not be good for 3D. The sound should be as neutral as possible. Sure it can be awesome with a lot of bass but it ruins the soundscape.
Yes there are speakers to be placed near the wall. They need the support of the wall at the base.
But it is built into the construction. The sound is pleasant to listen to. If you have a listening room at home, you can adapt it with carpets and many things that remove reflections. But it is a premium for most people.
But it is built into the construction. The sound is pleasant to listen to. If you have a listening room at home, you can adapt it with carpets and many things that remove reflections. But it is a premium for most people.
So you are, in fact, claiming this applies as a blanket rule.
OK, I'm not going to waste my time pointing out the major inaccuracies of such statements; I'll simply repeat what I advised before and leave you to it: build whatever you like, since you have decided in advance what it is you are going to hear, and will not be happy with anything else.
OK, I'm not going to waste my time pointing out the major inaccuracies of such statements; I'll simply repeat what I advised before and leave you to it: build whatever you like, since you have decided in advance what it is you are going to hear, and will not be happy with anything else.
I am a happy amateur who tries to find the best conditions for my sound. Being an audiophile is not easy. But I do not intend to spend a fortune on making it sound good. That was probably where I got my eyes open for Alpair and Mark Audio. I realized that there was something there that attracted me. To try new solutions on the elements.
I have lived in a concrete apartment. There it sounded different than in a house made of wooden walls.
The size of the room also makes a difference. It is said that a room that is square where the dimensions are the same size is the worst conditions you can have. I have such a room. In that room it will not be good to listen.
I have lived in a concrete apartment. There it sounded different than in a house made of wooden walls.
The size of the room also makes a difference. It is said that a room that is square where the dimensions are the same size is the worst conditions you can have. I have such a room. In that room it will not be good to listen.
Scottmoose
You're a good designer. The best available on a forum. I have great respect for you and your work to help all lost souls (me included) here on this forum. Mark Audio would not have been special without you. You are the one who drives the company forward. You should be commended for all the work you put in here.
You're a good designer. The best available on a forum. I have great respect for you and your work to help all lost souls (me included) here on this forum. Mark Audio would not have been special without you. You are the one who drives the company forward. You should be commended for all the work you put in here.
Then the best way to deal with that is add acoustic treatment. Without the room will always mess up the sound, even with the best designs and most expensive stuff. You can find a lot of good info about this on this (commercial) site.
Articles - GIK Acoustics Europe
Remember when reading his stuff that he tries to sell, but he tells the real science in his explenations (no snake oil), and what he tries to sell is good stuff (but certainly not the only or the cheapest way) to deal with the acoustics of a room. A lot of what he sells can be made diy also.
Waxx
He is good.
The most important thing is to remove early reflexes. Our brain cannot sort these. Therefore, we get a diffuse sound image. Floors, ceilings and walls can give us this. Most floors and walls where the distance is the shortest. Behind speakers is an area that is sensitive to reflections. Some kind of diffuser behind the speakers is preferable.
Then there are bass traps to remove unwanted bass resonances. Standing waves always occur in a room.
It costs a lot of money to get everything fixed by professionals. But some can be done with simple means.
1. Thick carpet on the floor that removes the first reflex.
2. Paintings or other on the walls where the first reflection is.
3. Set up something that removes reflections from the wall behind the speakers.
With these measures, you will go a long way to get a more accurate sound image.
I have seen horror pictures of stereos where the speakers are completely wrong. Equipment for a lot of money given poor conditions.
Waste of money I think.
You can do wonders with cheap stuff if they get the right room.
He is good.
The most important thing is to remove early reflexes. Our brain cannot sort these. Therefore, we get a diffuse sound image. Floors, ceilings and walls can give us this. Most floors and walls where the distance is the shortest. Behind speakers is an area that is sensitive to reflections. Some kind of diffuser behind the speakers is preferable.
Then there are bass traps to remove unwanted bass resonances. Standing waves always occur in a room.
It costs a lot of money to get everything fixed by professionals. But some can be done with simple means.
1. Thick carpet on the floor that removes the first reflex.
2. Paintings or other on the walls where the first reflection is.
3. Set up something that removes reflections from the wall behind the speakers.
With these measures, you will go a long way to get a more accurate sound image.
I have seen horror pictures of stereos where the speakers are completely wrong. Equipment for a lot of money given poor conditions.
Waste of money I think.
You can do wonders with cheap stuff if they get the right room.
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I know, my space is not really treated, but some simple thing like a carpet did change the sound to very good. The only thing i probally still need to do in my space (but i live here since less than a year) is the space behind my speakers, wich is an old brick wall (old in the sence of a 400 years old brick farmwall, very irregular. The back and one of the sides are drywall with a lot of stonewool behind it wich works well, the other sidewall is plaster on a brick wall, but done very irregular (so a kind of diffusor on it's own), and the ceiling is plaster on wood (with a lot of stonewool above the wood isolating to the 1st floor). I did measure it roughly and i have not really big reflections since i put the carpet on the stone floor. For bass traps i don't have space (small space in a 400 years old farmhouse). But the bass is rather accurate here and the room modes not so disturbing. And it's my living room, not a dedicated listening space so i can't go to far in this. The sofa, vinyl storage cabinets, other cabinets and plants already take all the space i have...
And on horror acoustics, i've seen very expensive stuff (like Wilson Audio Alexandria's powered by Pass Labs amps, FM Acoustics preamps and Nagra DAC) in a living room like this one and it sounded like ****...
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