Currently there are 22 000 cubic meters of high level nuclear waste globally.
After 70 years of trying to find a solution of what to do with it we are no closer to a solution but I suppose some of it could be repurposed into warheads.
But the problem is temporary, it will sort itself out in between ten thousand to one hundred thousand years.
despite wasting public monney for going to Mars for terrestrian political competition between countries, better to send nuc wastes in space, will be more usefull here and now on earth where I bet it without risk, we never leave, species collapse before we can.
I was berated on the Black Hole thread for even daring to ask what the point was of the Mars missions. 🙂
imho, but for doing some good Holywood movies and waste ressources, there is zero utility... I fear when the chineese movies will come with lunar conquest, also called Mars for poors ! All of that is about politic as it was for the Moon walk (not Jackson one's !) .. I stop now as I wrote the word politic and so I raped the rules, but not the cheese as we say here in France !
Oh stupids french if you read the Washington Post or New-York Time btw, lol ! Mars is a little like that : "Pensée Unique" ! (standalone direction mind, if I dare to translate)
lets go back to the fun, sorry for that disgress.
Oh stupids french if you read the Washington Post or New-York Time btw, lol ! Mars is a little like that : "Pensée Unique" ! (standalone direction mind, if I dare to translate)
lets go back to the fun, sorry for that disgress.
Just satisfying curiosity, like the 18th- and 19th-century investigations into electricity, magnetism and acoustics.
Please... Marcel, you are not usualy on the generalisation side of things...
There is no //... science can find without sending things on Mars, there is more urgent thing to do thn focusing the best engineer on lunar jeeps and more efecient spacecraft... don't mix politic, industry, and science...
There is no //... science can find without sending things on Mars, there is more urgent thing to do thn focusing the best engineer on lunar jeeps and more efecient spacecraft... don't mix politic, industry, and science...
It is exactly the kinds of things discovered in these kind of projects benefits us all. Without these kinds of research we would be a much poorer world (no computre, no phone, no GPS…). These kinds of projects brig important, unforseen developments, push current tech further and in general benefit all man.
dave
I don't think so for Mars project.Of course, it's not the same for the International station where experiments are made for everyday human benefits.
Again I'm talking about Mars vs more important things to do as the urgent need to reduce heat level, and air polution, reducing exploitation of rare ressources even for the confort to call wife to say if the Nutela or fries are on the supermarket list... This is not what is behind the Mars project and its vehicles. The main thing is not science and industrial exploitation imho. It's about making, monney, weapons, politic and diplomaty, trying to keep an advance in the frenetic human race towards nothing vs the dangers that now show us after two century of non controlled indutrialisation.
At least that's what I think.
Again I'm talking about Mars vs more important things to do as the urgent need to reduce heat level, and air polution, reducing exploitation of rare ressources even for the confort to call wife to say if the Nutela or fries are on the supermarket list... This is not what is behind the Mars project and its vehicles. The main thing is not science and industrial exploitation imho. It's about making, monney, weapons, politic and diplomaty, trying to keep an advance in the frenetic human race towards nothing vs the dangers that now show us after two century of non controlled indutrialisation.
At least that's what I think.
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I think we should concentrate on the moon and a big space station at L4/L5 first.
It is important for us to move heavy pollutting industries out into space to help clean up the earth. Once we get established in space it wil help bring huge wealth to everyone.
dave
It is important for us to move heavy pollutting industries out into space to help clean up the earth. Once we get established in space it wil help bring huge wealth to everyone.
dave
we have an agreement here and could share a beer now 😀... glass bottle, less polution.
Plastic bottles were forbiden at home... mostly because they contain only water ! 🙂
Plastic bottles were forbiden at home... mostly because they contain only water ! 🙂
A cube 28x28x28m. Not much. It is very powerful and dangerous stuff and it is a problem.
dave
You hopin' for a bit of toke'in Dave?
I hear it's way more effective for music enjoyment than soaking your cables in crates of illegally imported crystals from Tibet.
I hear it's way more effective for music enjoyment than soaking your cables in crates of illegally imported crystals from Tibet.
The Cassini spacecraft that fabulously investigated Saturn for years was under protest before it launched because it carried 33kg of plutonium oxide.
Plutonium oxide is about the same density as lead (much less dense than pure plutonium), so 2870 ccm would weigh about 33kg, a cube about 14.2cm a side.
If people were so opposed to sending a 14cm cube (it was 3 11kg cylinders I think) of nuclear material into space, I bet they'd be thrilled at the prospect of launching 22,000 cubic meters of the stuff.
And expensive, it's about $22K/kg to get to low Earth orbit - but you don't want nuclear waste in low Earth orbit.
It's on Earth, and it ain't going anywhere.
At this point our launch capability is not solid enuff to invoke the danger of getting it out of the gravity well. That may well have to wait until the elevator is built.
It would be nice to figure out how it could be used instead of disposed of.
dave
The human race is already on the threshold of living in space. We do need to get a breeding population off the earth as an insurance policy.
And there is SO MUCH WEALTH in space. Imagine the industrial revolution x10. maybe x100. That might be an underestimate.
dave
And there is SO MUCH WEALTH in space. Imagine the industrial revolution x10. maybe x100. That might be an underestimate.
dave
It doesn't help much, but I have two smoke detectors with a bit of it in their ionization chambers.