Where has the "Happy to be proven wrong" gone, is the audio business such a disapointment?
That is still there, but yes I am wary of the home audio industry these days.
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He got so good that his latest graphs on phase noise are the best on the planet. .
Riiight. I think a few qualifiers might be needed there.
He got so good that his latest graphs on phase noise are the best on the planet. Check his thread. It's all there. His latest clocks compete with devices costing 20.000 usd.
What a waste using these clocks on consumer grade products. JPL/NASA/MIL would certainly be interested (and no, I am not jesting, they really are), in ultra low phase noise clocks, the best of the best, to improve the GPS constellation, deep space telemetry, and missiles precision. They would pay obscene amounts for such "best on the planet" clocks. Even Stratum 1 providers may be interested, although the MTI-270 in special space grade version is currently marginally good enough.
High-end audio revenues would be a rounding error to the mainstream.
It's just a bunch of looney tunes.
that's another subject.
i would like to get the answer from our robocop himself, if i may.
It's very simple.
On one hand.....
..........In the other hand
Like I said, simple.
Yes, when you put it like that.......🙄
What a waste using these clocks on consumer grade products. JPL/NASA/MIL would certainly be interested (and no, I am not jesting, they really are), in ultra low phase noise clocks, the best of the best, to improve the GPS constellation, deep space telemetry, and missiles precision. They would pay obscene amounts for such "best on the planet" clocks. Even Stratum 1 providers may be interested, although the MTI-270 in special space grade version is currently marginally good enough.
Andrea got rid of the ovens.
Well, if they're all doing stuff in the dark....
Nah, that'd be too much anti kapitalist style economics I guess ;-)
Level matched double blind listening comparisons of DACs showed that most of them (expensive or cheap) sounded indistinguishable. There are outliers but not common at all. Those outliers are even less these days.
I didn't think obsession could go this far.
I don't know how many times you wrote the same sentence on several threads, I couldn't count them
"Every level matched double blind listening test I've read about show no audible difference between expensive and cheap contemporary DACs."
But then I read this and understood everything:
Originally Posted by planet10
"If the music reproduction system disapears and lets YOU enjoy the music is hifi."
Your reply:
"In your own view, perhaps."
The measurement obsession has made you lose sight of the goal of audio: listening to music.
A little musical education would be necessary.
Andrea got rid of the ovens.
what does satellites, missiles, probes, etc have to do with audio?
Is there also a self fulfilling prophecy going on in objective minds, one that backfires so to speak?
I mean, when one believes that you can't hear things, is the mind so preoccupied while listening for changes that one actually can't hear things that one without that conviction should be able to?
Really.
I mean, when one believes that you can't hear things, is the mind so preoccupied while listening for changes that one actually can't hear things that one without that conviction should be able to?
Really.
I am very glad you dropped any attempts to explain your subjective findings in engineering terms. To me, it is not those sharing their subjective impressions that are annoying (although many could use "IMO" more often than they do) but those attempting to fabricate their own version of physics and attempting to push it down the throats of the innocent.
You are now exactly where you should be from the very beginning, and you won't have me as an opponent there.
Maybe you don't understand how much I care if you are an opponent or not.
But that's okay.
Go ahead with your obsession with measurements while I keep with my obsession with listening to music at its best.
Tha's the only goal for me.
Perception is fragile, that's why there are proper ways to tell if something exists or not. We generally all have similar shortcomings.
Listening to music vs listening to reproduced music aren't same thing. Perhaps a little education on reproduction would be beneficial to you.The measurement obsession has made you lose sight of the goal of audio: listening to music.
A little musical education would be necessary.
GPS references need long term stability.
Come on, you knew this.
And? GPS's need a whole lot of bunch of things!
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Sorry, that already happened. I'll let you guess why, although I am suspecting you already know.
Sincerely,
HAL9000
Fortunately HAL9000 was shut down.
And moreover Kubrick was art (like music), have you measured the THD of his steadycam to confirm he was a good director?
Listening to music vs listening to reproduced music aren't same thing. Perhaps a little education on reproduction would be beneficial to you.
Like i said in another thread, most manufacturers listen to their stuff before production.
Like TV manufacturers watch TV content,etc
Car manufacturers even ride their cars before production, can you believe that?
Nobody here is saying measurements are complementary only.
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I was very impressed how SY used to pay local musicians he liked to come and perform in his house. It was an advantage that his preferred music could be performed by a cast of under 3 😀Listening to music vs listening to reproduced music aren't same thing..
You didn't get what my reply was in regards to.Like i said in another thread, most manufacturers listen to their stuff before production.
Like TV manufacturers watch TV content,etc
Car manufacturers even ride their cars before production, can you believe that?
Nobody here is saying measurements are complementary only.
What a waste using these clocks on consumer grade products. JPL/NASA/MIL would certainly be interested (and no, I am not jesting, they really are), in ultra low phase noise clocks, the best of the best, to improve the GPS constellation, deep space telemetry, and missiles precision. They would pay obscene amounts for such "best on the planet" clocks. Even Stratum 1 providers may be interested, although the MTI-270 in special space grade version is currently marginally good enough.
You are wrong.
JPL / NASA / MIL would not be interested in these oscillators at all.
They look for long term stability while I have not implemented an oven so my oscillators has poor long term stability.
That does not matter in audio.
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