Oh get off it with that "offensive" crap already.
The masses are tired of hearing such blabber.
Or don't you read the news?
Try to understand, you are not writing for the masses here, this is a forum specialized in audio, although it seems that some people boast of their limited knowledge, they are accepted. But from there to offend by generalizing ...... that's very ugly! please comport good !
And yes, I read the news, the impechment failed, for example ......
Which one do you mean, do you think I'm a fortune teller?
Okay so the op is way too arduous and tedious to work through in it's present condition...imo. I wonder if Richard has changed his mind since then considering some very high quality and expensive gear has come about with no tone controls since that paper was written, the rationale being less is more. The fewer circuits the signal passes through the less degraded it becomes at it's final destination. Maintaining purity of the signal is clearly the goal. Whether this is measurable is questionable but only to the particular amp/pre at hand. Adding or removing controls and then listening would reveal how beneficial if at all they could be. But they would have to be set to flat for a comparison. Comparison of what? Obviously not frequency response differences. So somebody came to the conclusion that tone controls somehow compromise the overall sq enough to delete them. Naim comes to mind. Early Boothroyd Stuart Meridian also.
Pretty good sounding gear.
Curtains, blinds, upholstery, carpet all serve to enable a decent sound stage.
Everybody has their priorities.
So are tone controls necessary? No...imo
🙂
Pretty good sounding gear.
Curtains, blinds, upholstery, carpet all serve to enable a decent sound stage.
Everybody has their priorities.
So are tone controls necessary? No...imo
🙂
............
They've always been standard equipment on just about anything in the "better' audio department.
In their almost totality, the current high-end preamps and integrated amplifiers do not bring more controls for tones or loudness, for a long time now ........ surely there must be a good reason, perhaps it is because of what I already mentioned. above?
Okay so the op is way too arduous and tedious to work through in it's present condition...imo. I wonder if Richard has changed his mind since then considering some very high quality and expensive gear has come about with no tone controls since that paper was written, the rationale being less is more. The fewer circuits the signal passes through the less degraded it becomes at it's final destination. Maintaining purity of the signal is clearly the goal. Whether this is measurable is questionable but only to the particular amp/pre at hand. Adding or removing controls and then listening would reveal how beneficial if at all they could be. But they would have to be set to flat for a comparison. Comparison of what? Obviously not frequency response differences. So somebody came to the conclusion that tone controls somehow compromise the overall sq enough to delete them. Naim comes to mind. Early Boothroyd Stuart Meridian also.
Pretty good sounding gear.
Curtains, blinds, upholstery, carpet all serve to enable a decent sound stage.
Everybody has their priorities.
So are tone controls necessary? No...imo
🙂
I agree, and would add that of current tube amps, I think even MC Intosh has removed the tone controls on many of their models, which means something ......🙄
That phrase is offensive and unnecessary ...
Its quite amazing what sound some people will put up with.
I ran a mono mobile disco for 40 years and no one ever commented it wasnt stereo.
In the first few years before I got a mixer the speakers only worked up to 3KHz.
Again no complaints.
Never mind the quality, feel the noise.
Every disco that I went to, NOBODY there critisized things like IF it was stereo sound or not.
People went these to party, mingle, and drink.
Why should anyone care about the sound at such a place?
I agree, and would add that of current tube amps, I think even MC Intosh has removed the tone controls on many of their models, which means something ......🙄
Yeah, it means they got cheap on features, and higher on prices. 🙄
A quick search:
Bass and treble | PS Audio
" I think the main reason they existed was to compensate for the poor frequency response of the loudspeakers. As speakers and electronics got better, the need to preload—pre-distort—the music signal went away. And that was a good thing. "
Bass and treble | PS Audio
" I think the main reason they existed was to compensate for the poor frequency response of the loudspeakers. As speakers and electronics got better, the need to preload—pre-distort—the music signal went away. And that was a good thing. "
That phrase is offensive and unnecessary ...
He gets off on offending people unnecessarily
Every disco that I went to, NOBODY there critisized things like IF it was stereo sound or not.
People went these to party, mingle, and drink.
Why should anyone care about the sound at such a place?
Surely ...... and less if you are accompanied by a beautiful lady ..... although today, you have to be very careful with whom you have fun ....
😛😀
Yes, even the trolls have to drink.😎He gets off on offending people unnecessarily
He gets off on offending people unnecessarily
Hmm, there are times when you have every intention ..........

I should mention bass response is where the vast majority of eq is beneficial and my system is no exception, namely a pair of Acoustat Monitor 3 ESLs enhanced with a pair of Linn 5150 subs, ABSOLUTELY REQUIRED...imo😀I agree, and would add that of current tube amps, I think even MC Intosh has removed the tone controls on many of their models, which means something ......🙄
we all have our priorities
I also use sobwoofers, but to achieve an extension to the bass response of the system. No tone control will do it, they only reinforce what is already there, sometimes for the better, sometimes for the worse, it depends on how it is used.🙂
The Acoustats are flat to 30hz, the 5150s to 15hz. I just replaced my other Velodyne subs that were flat to 26hz. You would think that should have been sufficient. Both have built in 200watt amps in each sub but the Linns go subjectively right to the bottom cleanly. They are awesome! I know there's no information down to 15hz but the capability and therefore the F3 response of the Linns, whatever that is, gives them serious spl down there.🙂
Indeed, tone controls are definitly needed to tailor the sound due to room acoustics, system/speaker signatures, and finally, personal preferences.
They've always been standard equipment on just about anything in the "better' audio department.
The nonsense of purists detesting tone controls are just highly biased and ignorant blabbering.
I agree.
The Acoustats are flat to 30hz, the 5150s to 15hz. I just replaced my other Velodyne subs that were flat to 26hz. You would think that should have been sufficient. Both have built in 200watt amps in each sub but the Linns go subjectively right to the bottom cleanly. They are awesome! I know there's no information down to 15hz but the capability and therefore the F3 response of the Linns, whatever that is, gives them serious spl down there.🙂
That seems to be very good, I have reached 20 hz "flat" with DSP because I could not (nor did I put too much effort) to fully unravel the software of the Bheringer NXEdit. It seems that to go below 20 Hz (by default) you have to dabble in the parametric equalizer, but first you have to cancel the chosen crossover, and then ....... oh, I'm starting to lose my enthusiasm in all this, damn pandemic ! 😡
He gets off on offending people unnecessarily
No.
I just don't mince my words.
I also don't like being told to walk on eggshells.
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