No, not the FR. And many of those were good, just a niggling problem with all of them. Across a huge range of implementations.
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I do have some bad OB helper woofers. But i figure that is down to the Eminence bass driver.
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And yet that ambience is precisely what some do like. Particularly for classical music and other live concerts. Put me in the concert hall. That's where I want to be.
The reflections won't have the delay of a concert hall. Depending on the recording the ambience may exist without additional room reflections.
Yeah, of course. You can’t get 80 ms delays in your listening room and it's not going to sound exactly the same as being in the concert hall where the recording was made.
However, with the extra delay from the front wall due to sound emanating from the back of the baffle, OBs can make it sound more like you're in some concert hall somewhere. Much more so than box speakers can do.
However, with the extra delay from the front wall due to sound emanating from the back of the baffle, OBs can make it sound more like you're in some concert hall somewhere. Much more so than box speakers can do.
Ideally that information should already exist in the recording in which case a box speaker should be able to reproduce it just fine and additional reflections could degrade it. I've tried to understand Linkwitz's argument that dipoles somehow "unlock" this information from the recording, but I don't get it.
The first part is right but the second is pretty out to lunch conclusion. A device that translates mechanical to electrical or vis-a-versa is the place where the most amount of information is lost.
You ar etalking about DDR, and speakers tend to be poor at that.
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But you are Matt, you can’t say you aren’t just because you seem to not like the term. DDR is largely about small bits of information and alot of that temporal information is very small.
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Again in the interest of truly trying to help you and leaving all of this other nonsense behind, I highly recommend that you find some way to listen to open baffle speakers once this virus stuff is over. One of the easiest ways is to find a retail store where they demonstrate Magnepans.
You will hear a different type of sound than you hear from box speakers. Many people like it, others still prefer box speakers. But for some, once they hear it there is no question about it. Nothing else will satisfy them.
And if you think you might like OB there are some much cheaper and easier ways to try it in your house without spending $900 and a lot time building the LXminis. Also don’t forget you will need a four channel amplifier to drive it. A conventional 2 channel stereo amp won’t do it. If you don’t have a four channel amp you will need to spend at least another $500 for an Emotiva BasX A-500 when they finally become available again.
The least expensive way to try OB in your own home is to buy a pair of Wild Burro Betsy’s for $110 and mount them on some small plywood baffles. You’re done. No cabinets, no crossovers, nothing else. That’s it.
Now you’ve got OB to try in your home. 110 bucks plus two pieces of plywood. If you decide to do this take a look at the baffle design Randy Rash uses for his Betsy’s at Caintuck Audio Loudspeakers as an example. Very simple and easy to make. A few hours at the most and you’re done.
I'm talking about the fact that a box speaker should be able to reproduce the ambience of the recording at least as well as, if not better than an OB, in response to classicalfan saying the opposite.
I've found some good renditions of concert halls on recordings, they do come through believably on a low reflection system (not trying to speak exclusively).
Hi,
Building something similar to the LXMini may not be expensive in fact rather cheap in comparison with some expensive speakers out there. The provisor is that you need a little designing and measuring skills plus the measuring tools which are rather cheap and some for free. Plus a lot of hours of labour.
I designed and made mine from scratch an LXMini, similar in configuration and nothing else and it is not even a clone. The set up does indeed sound very good similar in sound quality from my larger OB speakers, the sound reproduction is smaller because my LXMini is much smaller.
The total cost less than US$300 which accounts for 2 sets of drivers(2*5" FR and 2*8" mid-woofer drivers), 2 bare cabinets, Not including other accessories and Minidsp. All in all a very worthwhile exercise and enjoy hours of good sound reproductions. It throws a large sound stage for such a small pair of speakers.
There are many experts here who can help you if you decide to build them on your own from scratch if you have the time and willingness, not easy but not impossible just hard work. You learn MANY things along the way and prepare you for the next project on a larger scale.
Building something similar to the LXMini may not be expensive in fact rather cheap in comparison with some expensive speakers out there. The provisor is that you need a little designing and measuring skills plus the measuring tools which are rather cheap and some for free. Plus a lot of hours of labour.
I designed and made mine from scratch an LXMini, similar in configuration and nothing else and it is not even a clone. The set up does indeed sound very good similar in sound quality from my larger OB speakers, the sound reproduction is smaller because my LXMini is much smaller.
The total cost less than US$300 which accounts for 2 sets of drivers(2*5" FR and 2*8" mid-woofer drivers), 2 bare cabinets, Not including other accessories and Minidsp. All in all a very worthwhile exercise and enjoy hours of good sound reproductions. It throws a large sound stage for such a small pair of speakers.
There are many experts here who can help you if you decide to build them on your own from scratch if you have the time and willingness, not easy but not impossible just hard work. You learn MANY things along the way and prepare you for the next project on a larger scale.
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You could get the kinds of delays needed in a real room with somethign like the Advent SoundSpace Control. Nowadays something like it should be doable with a single DSP and some support circuitry on a board really small board.
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It's an interesting condundrum. I like my apogee hybrids because, in the right room it throws a very convincing illusion. Accurate illusion I don't know, but it is enjoyable.
In the wrong room like they are currently in they lack all that magic and a sealed box generally performs a preferable job. But I couldn't tell you which one is 'right'.
I should also note I have been tempted by the LXmini (but without the OB Subs as they wouldn't fit) but over ruled by the home decoration committee.
Yes, I've heard good illusions through high reflection environments, and low reflection ones too. Somewhere in the middle seems to be where I become less sure. Certainly when aiming for a low reflection environment, reducing the remaining early reflections is generally a good thing.
classicalfan, you can get in room performance similar to headphones (in this respect, anyhow.. naturally it's better in general 😉)
classicalfan, you can get in room performance similar to headphones (in this respect, anyhow.. naturally it's better in general 😉)