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I have measured Wireworld speaker cables, and a 8' run of their lower priced cables measured 1000pf. Also I do know of a case of an amp shutting down while driving a 3 way speaker with the Wireworld cables.
If you want that, just get some bog-standard zip / shotgun wire in, say, 24ga and 10ga. Call it a 10m loop length for each. Compare. In most cases the former will have plenty sufficient loop resistance to result in audible losses (and potentially modify the frequency response into the bargain). Resistive wire is sometimes deliberately used with, say, some wideband drivers to artificially raise Q without requiring an additional resistor, so it's not an invariable that the heavier gauge will be 'better', but these are specific circumstances that don't apply to the majority of systems & when they are, are usually done very deliberately for that purpose.
If you want another, get said length of zip / shotgun wire, and another length. Unzip the latter, and space the conductors significantly apart. As in a foot or so. Or even put some loops in if you feel so inclined. Not a very bright idea technically in the majority of cases -in many situations (depending on circumstance though) you'll hear a difference.
My two eyes are quite different, one is far sighted and the other one short sighted.
But the funniest thing is that I see completely different colors between them although I’m not at all color blind.
They simply have a different color temp, so which one is right and which is wrong, or could it be that others have yet another color temp setting?
Who knows, but not unlikely.
Now regarding our ears like our other sensors for taste and smell, isn’t it very likely that we all differ also in what we hear, taste and smell?
If so, talking about good and bad sound is just about as meaningless as trying to convince someone that strawberries are tasting better as raspberries.
But nevertheless it’s always most interesting to hear experiences from others in this respect and with respect.
Hans
But the funniest thing is that I see completely different colors between them although I’m not at all color blind.
They simply have a different color temp, so which one is right and which is wrong, or could it be that others have yet another color temp setting?
Who knows, but not unlikely.
Now regarding our ears like our other sensors for taste and smell, isn’t it very likely that we all differ also in what we hear, taste and smell?
If so, talking about good and bad sound is just about as meaningless as trying to convince someone that strawberries are tasting better as raspberries.
But nevertheless it’s always most interesting to hear experiences from others in this respect and with respect.
Hans
As long as you can balance that, as well as different ears we have different speakers in different rooms, different tastes in music and listen for different things then yes its interesting. I still get miffed by those few who claim our systems must be poor if we cannot hear the changes wrought by wonder component 'X'.
This forum mostly deals with sound reproduction system which already has industry standard for quality evaluation.
But when trying to recreate those flavors, the criteria for judging is different.
It may be so but unless the reader was there with others when they experienced it (recreated sound), it's not much more than background noise.
It's funny to see those making such claim from the other side of computer screen.
Poor? Maybe not good enough in some particular way...
For example, I have two Neurochrome headphone amps (HP-1, HP-2). Both measure superbly. They sound different from each other. The one that measures a little better sounds very slightly smeared to me (presumably a linear distortion). It is not as good at letting me hear all the details of a reverb tail, I can't audibly discern how the tail was constructed from reverbs and delays combined together. So, is the better measuring HPA poor, IMO? Not exactly, but not the one I use for judging progress with dacs.
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I find it strange that the high frequency (1 MHz and up) Radio Frequency Characteristic Impedance formulas are used when discussing transmission lines at audio frequencies (even many miles long cables). At frequencies well below 1MHz the complete long form formula must be used rather than the high frequency short form one.
Also note that at frequencies well above 1MHz, the short form formula is for high quality dielectrics not PVC.
Now occasionally amp output>>speaker cable>> loudspeaker transmission lines can do unexpected things in the megahertz region.
Also note that at frequencies well above 1MHz, the short form formula is for high quality dielectrics not PVC.
Now occasionally amp output>>speaker cable>> loudspeaker transmission lines can do unexpected things in the megahertz region.
Evenharmonics,
IMO you permanently persue in trying to solve the impossible which is fighting emotions (listening experience) with facts (measured results).
The two are hardly correlated in most cases.
Info on who likes what is not just noise, compare it to LP reviews or audio gear reviews in magazines.
Just as subjective but nevertheless interesting to read when you are interested in the subject.
Hans
IMO you permanently persue in trying to solve the impossible which is fighting emotions (listening experience) with facts (measured results).
The two are hardly correlated in most cases.
Info on who likes what is not just noise, compare it to LP reviews or audio gear reviews in magazines.
Just as subjective but nevertheless interesting to read when you are interested in the subject.
Hans
I do not find it strange.
In fact, it surprises me that you would assert this knowing that I have:
1. Detailed equivalence between RFZ and a correct multisection LCR.
2. Detailed explanation that the T-line model falls apart after 20 or so microseconds, rending claims that it can't apply at audio "frequencies" a moot point.
3. Detailed the fact that T-line modeling is only good for the imaging timeframe, that being 2 to perhaps 10-15 microseconds.
4. Detailed how T-line/reflection concepts explain how a low Z cable becomes capacitive when the load decouples.
What I find strange is your use of a strawman argument when you know better.
The fact that vendors and perhaps some posters do not fully understand this rather technical issue does not mean you can dismiss the technical merits.
Did I read your lambasting incorrectly? Or, have I simply made a mistake in re-engaging within this forum?
Jn
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This is new to me, how did you conclude that "smeared sound" can be the result of "linear distortion"? Defining your understanding of "smeared sound" and "linear distortion" would also help.
Unless you are just expressing your impression of my posts, it would help to persuade readers to your cause if you quote my post/s for specificity sake.
I'm not sure if you have read or not but I've challenged those who post audibility claims like x sounds better than y or improvement in sound by swapping out the part z. Someone liking something isn't what I care to respond to.
What subject would that be?
I'm pretty sure that those are subjective statements of preference, ie liking, so no one will blame you for ignoring them too.
It's funny but I found that, when I had to buy a commerical product finding something that the UK rag linnlovers didn't like usually meant a good neutral performer 
For me I am one of these odd types who values an immersive soundfield above many other traits, despite knowing that a real symphonic performance is not like that. I also don't like how many recordings have you hovvering over the orchestra rather than sitting in front of it. So whilst Mark talks about decay tails of fractions of a second I listed to room resonances dying down over a 5-10 second period for my definition of 'good'.
Neither of us is wrong, we just have different priorities.
For me I am one of these odd types who values an immersive soundfield above many other traits, despite knowing that a real symphonic performance is not like that. I also don't like how many recordings have you hovvering over the orchestra rather than sitting in front of it. So whilst Mark talks about decay tails of fractions of a second I listed to room resonances dying down over a 5-10 second period for my definition of 'good'.
Neither of us is wrong, we just have different priorities.
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