The Black Hole......

Cern, Ligo, everyone knows thats ludite technology compared to audio. Audio is the only place where physics is optional, this elevates it to magic. And the only truth comes from the high priests as they spout there doctrine with the only proof necessary "I can hear the difference".
 
Cern, Ligo, everyone knows thats ludite technology compared to audio. Audio is the only place where physics is optional, this elevates it to magic. And the only truth comes from the high priests as they spout there doctrine with the only proof necessary "I can hear the difference".
Nothing like this. Show me at least one book on black magic in audio, everything is there and always in all seriousness! But I will show you others. "High Speed Digital Design: A Handbook of Black Magic" - Howard Johnson, Martin Graham
 
Ever read an audio magazine, where 98% of audiophiles get there "truth"? Its all overinflated opinions of self called gurus. Dr Toole had some of these gurus do blind listening test and they where below average listeners. Not discerning, never gave a 2 or 9 out of 10, and inconsitent, giving the same speaker very different scores at different listenings. And this is with speakers, you really think they can hear differences in IC cables?
 
Ever read an audio magazine, where 98% of audiophiles get there "truth"? Its all overinflated opinions of self called gurus. Dr Toole had some of these gurus do blind listening test and they where below average listeners. Not discerning, never gave a 2 or 9 out of 10, and inconsitent, giving the same speaker very different scores at different listenings. And this is with speakers, you really think they can hear differences in IC cables?
Books should be read, not comics.
 
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Cern, Ligo, everyone knows thats ludite technology compared to audio. Audio is the only place where physics is optional, this elevates it to magic. And the only truth comes from the high priests as they spout there doctrine with the only proof necessary "I can hear the difference".

He rewrote the article for Stereophile, I don't if they were in the original but this has the whole shebang, micro-diodes, crystal defects, time smear, etc. Looking at the figure of the "measurement" there is an error with the shape of an exponential decay whose time constant is a "memory" of the input frequency.

Note that input and output waveforms are not on the same scale, and that time dispersion is proportional to the tone period in the skin depth-limited region, meaning that the time scale is immaterial.

This all in a line a tiny fraction of a wavelength long. The Essex Echo 1995: Electrical Signal Propagation & Cable Theory | Stereophile.com
 
The audio entertainment rags? Many of the writers may have been hired more for writing skills (to the editor's satisfaction) rather than for listening skills. The national enquirer is not really about news either, few of their writers get awarded Pulitzer Prizes. Imagine that.

How about Fremer and the LP de-magnetizer? I took the lab measurements of the Furutech and compared them to my own experiment, there were at least 7 or 8 orders of magnitude difference from the background noise. Besides that the before after measurements were well within experimental error if you take into account in the earth's magnetic field variations.

Why bother though, we all know science doesn't have the answer?
 
How about Fremer and the LP de-magnetizer?

Why bother though, we all know science doesn't have the answer?

IIRC, Jam told me those devices are helpful for LPs. Don't recall what the audible benefit was supposed to be. I could ask him if it matters. One thing I have learned though, is that when Jam says something has a sound, or affects sound, he's always right. Then its always up to me to ponder about what the underlying physical mechanism might be. We can probably agree it likely has nothing to do with magnetic LPs in this case, but what would an AC magnetic field otherwise interact with. Static electric charges, maybe? Small statically charged dust particles down in the grooves? Got to be something if it affects the sound. It can be a trap get stuck on the idea of 'its demagnetizing or imagination, nothing else is possible' 🙂
 
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IIRC, Jam told me those devices are helpful for LPs. Don't recall what the audible benefit was supposed to be. I could ask him if it matters. One thing I have learned though, is that when Jam says something has a sound, or affects sound, he's always right.

Good for him, no DBT I assume just the usual BS (this one is truely BS). No point in any further discussion you are obviously totally over to your own closed minded existence. BTW magnetic and electrostatic fields don't interact.
 
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You seem grouch today.

Why not, we circle around to 1m cables all sound different and Hawkford's questionable stuff. Is there any moving forward? BTW No. 6 was always grouchy.

I might add a note virtually all technical disciplines that require highly accurate signal transfers pay no attention to any of this and never have, this includes big science and medical diagnostics.
 
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30 years ago they used to discuss cryogenic treated cables - take 'em down to some near zero K temperature, bring back up again (using a proprietary annealing temperature profile of course) and you have a permanent room temperature effect on how they sound - that withstands shipping and bending through normal installation...

When things finally become all digital-wireless, I'm sure someone will market little solid copper pyramids that you place atop each powered, N'tooth connected DSP speaker, that "reflect away competing signals in our GHz channel-saturated listening room environment" and someone will swear it sounds better!
 
30 years ago they used to discuss cryogenic treated cables - take 'em down to some near zero K temperature, bring back up again (using a proprietary annealing temperature profile of course) and you have a permanent room temperature effect on how they sound - that withstands shipping and bending through normal installation...

When things finally become all digital-wireless, I'm sure someone will market little solid copper pyramids that you place atop each powered, N'tooth connected DSP speaker, that "reflect away competing signals in our GHz channel-saturated listening room environment" and someone will swear it sounds better!
The tubes are also subjected to cryogenic treatment. I don’t think that in factories they just have so much fun. I made tube amplifiers, and I had a lot of tubes in the factory drawers. The internal elements of the tubes, such as the anode, cathode, gratings, traverses, really need thermal stabilization. I found another way, but it was not as reliable and good as cryoprocessing, but it had the same effect.
The instructions for thick acoustic audio cables from the audio quest company say that it is not advisable to bend them at an acute angle. And they were packed in boxes of large diameter.
Even the cast aluminum frames of the tape recorders in the factories were subjected to special heat treatment in order to age them and ensure their stability over time and the accuracy of the mechanism and movement of the magnetic film. So, in fact, there is no esoteric, as it seems to a lay person who is not familiar with the technology of manufacturing various devices.
 
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