Me also. almost the same except for also having tiredness, 3+ weeks here. From the time it started, I'd assume it isn't COVID-19, but since tests here are about impossible to get for the unhospitalized, that might not be a good assumption.
Coronavirus Update (Live): 198,011 Cases and 7,961 Deaths from COVID-19 Virus Outbreak - Worldometer
Of COVID-19 cases with outcome (recovered, died), there is a 9% mortality rate. While I was on the phone 15 minutes, I watched the number rise from 7,950 to 7,961.
Of COVID-19 cases with outcome (recovered, died), there is a 9% mortality rate. While I was on the phone 15 minutes, I watched the number rise from 7,950 to 7,961.
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Hope you do well. seems a lot of people will get a (mild?) case of it and be ok after a few weeks. Good to self isolate since you don't know if you are passing something deadly to others.
FWIW, Canada is doing some testing(never enough..). Initially a couple of confirmed cases were from people returning China. Then a lot from Iran. Then Italy. Last couple of weeks mostly from people returning from USA. I think it is pretty widespread already.
Hope you do well. seems a lot of people will get a (mild?) case of it and be ok after a few weeks. Good to self isolate since you don't know if you are passing something deadly to others.
FWIW, Canada is doing some testing(never enough..). Initially a couple of confirmed cases were from people returning China. Then a lot from Iran. Then Italy. Last couple of weeks mostly from people returning from USA. I think it is pretty widespread already.
That is important direct information, I hope it works for unbelievers .....................
Everyone, stay safe, stay home. My sister-in-law lives in Milano, a very well off place with first rate health care. The situation is dire. Dozens of pages in the newspapers just for death notices. Funerals just with a priest and the funeral home staff. No good-byes. Increasingly young people affected, with fatal outcome or with permanently diminished lung capacity. It is the sheer numbers that turn this into desaster. Health care systems nowhere are ready for this.
This is not the flu. Stay safe, stay home, RADICALLY minimise any social interaction, any chance for transmission. Build nice things at home, start great new threads, Let‘s keep our spirits up.
This is not the flu. Stay safe, stay home, RADICALLY minimise any social interaction, any chance for transmission. Build nice things at home, start great new threads, Let‘s keep our spirits up.
Precisely along these lines, the following UK epidemiological modelling and prediction paper is worth a read: http://www.imperial.ac.uk/media/imperial-college/medicine/sph/ide/gida-fellowships/Imperial-College-COVID19-NPI-modelling-16-03-2020.pdf
Note this sentence in the first paragraph: "Here we present the results of epidemiological modelling which has informed policymaking in the UK and other countries in recent weeks."
Derek
They conclude that supression would be more effective in limiting care surge demands and deaths, than migitation. But supression basically shuts down society, while migitation is less stringent.
At any rate, it is clear this will not be over in a few months. We'd be lucky if we get back to normal before end of the year.
Better to stock up on resistors and solder ;-)
Jan
At any rate, it is clear this will not be over in a few months. We'd be lucky if we get back to normal before end of the year.
Better to stock up on resistors and solder ;-)
Jan
The thing that has suprised me most is how quickly China got this under control apart from the early silencing of the whistleblower. RIP. I'm absolutely gobsmacked by their response. And South Korea as well by the way...they are quickly sliding down the list of top countries with confirmed infections.
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This is sliding off topic. Until stopped I'll continue. Exporting production has exported wealth around the world generally speaking. Sure there are stories of exploitation. And I'm sure it has hurt sustainability. But the amount of people that have been lifted out of extreme poverty the past 40 years has been nothing short of miraculous. Something you won't hear on the news or from aid organizations.
Global Extreme Poverty - Our World in Data
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Yes. But only partly I think. What about South Korea? In the "east" they say people are more focused on the collective. Whereas "the west" focus lies more on the indivudual.
Leaving "weaponizing" and speculation aside, it is true that such a Lab exists, and it is true that World´s most respected Bat Virus researcher works there, and has been for a long time.
This Peer Reviewed paper was published in 2012!!!!!!
Just the *title* makes me reach gloves and masks!!!!
https://www.microbiologyresearch.org/content/journal/jgv/10.1099/vir.0.033589-0
Dr Peng Zhou has been studying nothing but, has researched (together with local Universities) Bats in Australia and Singapore, etc.
This is what Research Gate finds (It´s an index of published Scientific Papers):
Peng Zhou's research works | Wuhan Institute Of Virology, Wuhan and other places
Cut and paste a few Paper titles:
and so on and on and on.
My point? there IS a Wuhan Virology Lab, they DID (and probably still do) invest a lot of resources studying Bats, Coronavirus in general and similar dangerous stuff.
Not speculating anything beyond the established facts, future History will tell.
Yep, see a tv where young americans guys in Florida said at tv thety don't care and still drinking at festa..
Amazed that national guards all over usa are not in the streets yet for calming down the fools. In CE there are still stupid people not listening the orders about PHYSICAL distanciation...despite police charge them with a bill... in the very popular area where fatality is driving more than science and education in tje head of people, they are still grupped ad gravepines...
@jmf, i just wanted pointed out the goal of this paper which seemed conspiracy at a fast reading...
I would like to read more interesting papers, like "what are doing UNO with executives?"
Amazed that national guards all over usa are not in the streets yet for calming down the fools. In CE there are still stupid people not listening the orders about PHYSICAL distanciation...despite police charge them with a bill... in the very popular area where fatality is driving more than science and education in tje head of people, they are still grupped ad gravepines...
@jmf, i just wanted pointed out the goal of this paper which seemed conspiracy at a fast reading...
I would like to read more interesting papers, like "what are doing UNO with executives?"
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True but they also have a signification recent history under a military junta that is said to have partially formed social customs.
I brought up the idea of cultural differences in the other earlier thread, and got flamed for it.
BTW, some media reports suggest that subtle differences like these probably aren't the reason. Different countries have different demographics, and on TOP of that different national outbreaks have different demographic hot spots, which is certainly a more pronounced effect than how people culturally react.
BTW, some media reports suggest that subtle differences like these probably aren't the reason. Different countries have different demographics, and on TOP of that different national outbreaks have different demographic hot spots, which is certainly a more pronounced effect than how people culturally react.
The Corona Virus will only be killed when it can't find hosts to infect.
The only way to achieve that is to allow for natural immunity.
The only way to achieve that is to allow for natural immunity.
[Spanish] Coronavirus: datos confirmados de infectados y fallecidos en Espana y en el mundo
Coronavirus cases in Europe - 18.03.2020
48,179 infected people in Europe, with 1,898 dead and 2,576 healed.
Coronavirus cases in Europe - 18.03.2020
48,179 infected people in Europe, with 1,898 dead and 2,576 healed.
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