For continuity: Scott W. proposed that a musical signal proven to contain content above RedBook limits, in some unimpeachably high sample rate, be LPF'd to 22.05KHz but kept at its original sample rate. The original and the LPF'd could then be compared as apples-to-apples as possible.
It's hard to design an experiment as elegant as this one.
So do it. I dont even know if music signal content higher than 20Khz is needed. Higher sample rates sound more accurate to me. So, I am buying those now and not CD.
Put up on web site some where so younger ears and low distortion loudspeaker users can listen also.

THx-RNMarsh
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Does your assertion about 10X sampling rate have any technical merit other than it being a selling point for a few pieces of measuring equipment?I dont even know if music signal content higher than 20Khz is needed. Higher sample rates sound more accurate to me. So, I am buying those now and not CD.
Chris,For continuity: Scott W. proposed that a musical signal proven to contain content above RedBook limits, in some unimpeachably high sample rate, be LPF'd to 22.05KHz but kept at its original sample rate. The original and the LPF'd could then be compared as apples-to-apples as possible.
It's hard to design an experiment as elegant as this one.
That's exactly what I proposed yesterday
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I even suggested 2 downgraded versions , the first one only (BW filtered) and the second (BW filtered + Word length from 24 to 16) but all still in the original 96Khz.
When I get a suggestion for a track of an album, I will prepare this and make it available.
Hans
P.S. Why 96/24, because most of us can play that bitrate while 192/24 is not in everybodies reach.
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You have posted over the last months at least 50 times how much better Hi-res sounds.I dont even know if music signal content higher than 20Khz is needed. Higher sample rates sound more accurate to me. So, I am buying those now and not CD.
THx-RNMarsh
Yet in substantiating this statement you fail to produce a single name for a representative track.
That places these comments in the same category as the supposed influence of the mains supply on the FR of the Quad ESL.
It's obviously all from hear say.
Hans
Hans, have you already decided what kind of filter you will be using in your experiment?...
I even suggested 2 downgraded versions , the first one only (BW filtered) and the second (BW filtered + Word length from 24 to 16) but all still in the original 96Khz.
You have posted over the last months at least 50 times how much better Hi-res sounds.
Yet in substantiating this statement you fail to produce a single name for a representative track.
Hans
hahaha At least.
You dont give up easily. Even when i tell you I dont have a music system now to find one for you... if I wanted to spend the time. I dont.
wow. The pressure.
-Richard
The house I gave money to build in Kathmandu for my adopted family is getting done. 3 floors.
Going to see it when finishd.

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Does your assertion about 10X sampling rate have any technical merit other than it being a selling point for a few pieces of measuring equipment?
yes, of course.
No. I already did that.
-RNM
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Can you explain it to me please? I don't think I'm the only one who's struggling, probably with your definitions, rather than anything lacking in the Nyquist-Shannon sampling theoremyes, of course.
Eh?No. I already did that.
Can you explain it to me please? I don't think I'm the only one who's struggling, probably with your definitions, rather than anything lacking in the Nyquist-Shannon sampling theorem
Eh?
again... somewhere in here you will find the answer to your questions....covers the CW and Real-Time.
What’s The Difference Between Real-Time And Sampling Oscilloscopes? | Electronic Design
Real-Time Versus Equivalent-Time Sampling | Tektronix
CD works to a fair degree. No one advocating breaking any laws. Is it the best way and is the sampling rate high enough?
You can decide for yourself. In the end, if you cant hear any difference, with your system and ears, between 16/44 and 24/192, then there is no need to go any further in debating it.
THx-RNMarsh
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Hans, have you already decided what kind of filter you will be using in your experiment?
The filter I have in mind is a Blackman Windowed Sinc filter with a transition band of 100Hz and a stopband at -100dB.
At 96Khz this means a 32 bits floating point Fir filter of ca 3840 points, but I could easily make the transition band smaller, but at the cost of more Gibbs ripple.
Hans
Hans, ask Bob instead 🙂
At the moment I’m equipment limited to 24/48 streaming with no download capability. This is due to the fact of running directly through my streamer/server over wi-fi via iPad. To get anything more from Tidal I need to upgrade to more processing power (like a dedicated Mac mini or SGC) with the ability to run full Roon.
As I’ve stated before, there are 16/44.1 tracks that stream better than their cd counter parts, there are 24/48 tracks that stream absolutely horrid, there are 24/48 tracks that are simply amazing. So it’s all over the place.
Also I’m not real sure of the actual provenance of these recordings I have access to at the moment.....so in other words, don’t ask me!
Soon I’ll be upgrading, it’s looking like a $2k+ upgrade so ‘soon’ is relative.
In the end I don’t understand the resistance to bettering the technology?
People with cd’s will still be able to listen to them, it’s not like the streaming mafia will come take your collection by force. 😀
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Thanks, unless I'm missing something, that confirms my understanding that an audio ADC samples in "Real-Time". So I still don't understand the relevance of 10X sampling?again... somewhere in here you will find the answer to your questions....covers the CW and Real-Time.
What’s The Difference Between Real-Time And Sampling Oscilloscopes? | Electronic Design
Real-Time Versus Equivalent-Time Sampling | Tektronix
Determining the required rate is something else, which doesn't seem to have been done, I'm interested in the technical explanations at the moment.CD works to a fair degree. No one advocating breaking any laws. Is it the best way and is the sampling rate high enough?
You can decide for yourself. In the end, if you cant hear any difference, with your system and ears, between 16/44 and 24/192, then there is no need to go any further in debating it.
Can you explain it to me please? I don't think I'm the only one who's struggling, probably with your definitions, rather than anything lacking in the Nyquist-Shannon sampling theorem
Don't worry it's not you, the way a sampling scope works has absolutely nothing to do with this.
Is asking questions and wanting to know the technicalities "resistance" in your book? 🙂In the end I don’t understand the resistance to bettering the technology?
🙂 I've just learned something about them due to the links Richard provided, which actually seem to prove that's the case 😉Don't worry it's not you, the way a sampling scope works has absolutely nothing to do with this.
Is asking questions and wanting to know the technicalities "resistance" in your book? 🙂
No, not at all.....that part wasn’t meant towards you.
I suppose some just don’t do well with changes.......somewhere there’s probably someone watching a black and white tv because ‘we don’t need none of that thar new fangled color stuff’ 😛
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