Self driving cars are here. Thoughts?

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I can see that country song brewing.
Even my pickup truck left me.
Thank you for the chuckle.
Why do we need so much technology ?
So tell the innovators their help is not welcome. Come back and let us how that went.
Sadly a college student was killed recently standing on the sidewalk waiting to cross when a human driven bus turning the corner jumped the curb and struck her.
Sadly, like so many, she stood so close to the road. Can't tell you how many times you can see a Mom with a baby carriage on the wheelchair ramp to the road, only inches from the pavement, oblivious to reality.
 
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I have two more notes. One is 737 max. You know what I mean...

And the second - how do you get rid of crazy drunken drivers? By driving in an autonomous car? Or by banning all people to drive cars?

Drunken drivers are likely to override the car when they think it's not doing what they want, because they're too drunk to use a touchpad... Uber has a "home" button, and even that is too hard for drunks at times.
 
Around here they have been known to put up old broken bicycles turned into signs to inform and mark where bicyclist injuries and deaths have occured. So for some strange reason I prefer the bicycle only paths.

As to the snow covered road, it was six inches and blowing across the road. The curbs were not visible.

As to the 737 software, they saved money by outsourcing it! After all experience is not an accounting concern.
 
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I wonder about what ethics are programmed into these cars.

Consider this scenario:
A truck pulls out in front of your AI car while travelling at speed.
There is not enough distance to stop.
There is a person standing on the pavement (sidewalk).
The car 'knows' it will hit the truck and the driver will likely be injured / killed unless it swerves to avoid the collision - but doing so will cause a collision with the person on the pavement.

Is the manufacturer obliged to protect the owner above the bystander?

If the car does not take action and the owner killed, is the manufacturer also liable because they could have prevented the owner's demise (at the expense of the bystander)?

How does it weigh the option of one life to another?

So you think a human would always take the right decision? How about all those people swerving into a tree and killing themselves to save a crossing deer?

The reality is that American cars kill every year about 3x as many people as solders were killed in an average year in the Vietnam war. I haven't seen protesters in Washington yet to protest the 'senseless' killings by cars.

Another reality is that it is very likely (but not proven yet) that the number of car deaths will drastically fall with autonomous driving.

AD cars are not distracted by kids on the back seats, do not light cigarettes while driving, don't text or phone in traffic and don't get aggressive when someone is thought to cut them off.

I'm in favor. The sooner the better.

Jan
 
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I'd rather have a job close enough to home to use a bicycle.
Better for me, better for other traffic, better for just about anything.
Self driving cars is like using a band aid to battle cancer. There are more people dying from reduced air and water quality because of various types of traffic and industry, than there are victims in traffic. Not to mention reducing the cars needed would make necessary traffic much safer.
I don't see the point, if the need for cars is reduced it will make a significantly larger impact than taking freedom of choice away from people.

What happens if there's a landslide, road is washed away, but you could get around it using an old tractor road or across a field?
And I am not ready to trust a self driving vehicle in a long tunnel.

Reading this, I probably wouldn't be ready to trust you as my driver in a long tunnel :D

Jan
 
Around here they have been known to put up old broken bicycles turned into signs to inform and mark where bicyclist injuries and deaths have occured. So for some strange reason I prefer the bicycle only paths.

As to the snow covered road, it was six inches and blowing across the road. The curbs were not visible.

As to the 737 software, they saved money by outsourcing it! After all experience is not an accounting concern.

How fast was the car going, was it slipping any?

Now if you said bicycle highway I'd be down. Pedestrians aren't allowed on them. They exist in some areas. But you're still going to have to get off of it and go on some streets to get to the final destination typically. Sadly there's rarely an opportunity for a very direct route for any non-car road. I wouldn't mind them if that was the case but if you're not leisure riding then you can be "put on the path" like some car drivers want as you have places to go just like them.
 
That would be the truck drivers fault. And in the video they say the driverless car can tell when someones going to run a red light in front of you and stop.

Of course it would be the truck drivers fault. But have the programmers coded a random number generator (virtual dice) for the AI car to decide who dies? Or is the manufacturer obligated to protect the owner above all others?

And if the truck was driverless this should not happen in the first place.

All vehicles would have to be driverless to make this a reality. I think we are a long way from that.


A couple of years ago Volvo brought a driverless car to Adelaide to show off the advanced animal avoidance technology:

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Volvo recently found that its self-driving cars cannot recognize kangaroos, because their manner of movement is different from other large animals. Speaking with ABC Australia, Volvo Australia's technical manager David Pickett said the animal's hopping throws off the car's animal detection system.Jul 3, 2017
 
So you think a human would always take the right decision? How about all those people swerving into a tree and killing themselves to save a crossing deer?

The question isn't whether or not humans are more prone to mistakes than machines (obviously they are), but on who gets to decide the outcome.

The reality is that American cars kill every year about 3x as many people as solders were killed in an average year in the Vietnam war.

We should ban American cars then!
(/Joke)

Another reality is that it is very likely (but not proven yet) that the number of car deaths will drastically fall with autonomous driving.

I suspect the overall tally will reduce dramatically but there will be some percentage of injuries / fatalities directly attributed to the AI cars. The key will be for those pushing the technology to maintain positive public opinion and not allow the negative media frenzy that is bound to ensue.

I found this series interesting regarding the design of Tesla's AI: YouTube
 
There were issues when both ABS brake optioned cars and more traditional types were sharing the roads, I can imagine similar situations with a mix of robot and human driven cars.

I really cannot imagine these vehicles in the snow, but much of what I see with existing cars/drivers shows that there likely would not be much of a negative effect on mobility during snowy weather anyways.

I drive to work at 4:00 AM, and a benefit is much reduced traffic, can basically drive however I wish.
 
Yeah, hacking is a real possibility and it's happened already; google "hacked jeep".

I'd imagine autonomous vehicles would be a high value target to those entertained by such undertakings.

I know the 5G people and big-data-pile people were hoping to really cash in on this, but if I ran the world, the only time this machine would be connectable would be when its at the dealership. You want autonomous, make it fully autonomous then for real time safety against anyone with evil intentions - and a computer. Imagining someone on a hilltop overlooking a busy intersection "hold my beer - watch this -"
 
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Autonomous vehicles will never have any part of their code outsourced? C'mon:)

And now imagine, that there are also motorbikes and scooters. Have you ever seen the traffic in Italy or Turkey? Not talking about some Asian countries.

And unless human driven cars are banned, there will be always problematic drivers.
 
Everyone would prefer a job closer to home, how is that going to happen? And if you dont get the point that these things will save lives ( 1.3 million die each year from cars/trucks ) then I cant help you.

Yeah?
And what about the 7 million that die each year because of air pollution?
Where's that air pollution coming from?
WHO | 7 million premature deaths annually linked to air pollution
• Chart: Deaths From Air Pollution Worldwide | Statista

Reading this, I probably wouldn't be ready to trust you as my driver in a long tunnel :D

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I meant it would be one car less on the road, but you probably got that.

I really think I am much more safe driver because I pay attention to the other traffic, if there's someone close behind me (rarely happens, but it does), I let him/her pass. Old people or learning driver in front of me, I let them breathe. I really like driving behind a semi unless it's a high speed road, because they follow the terrain in a good way and you're certain not to get any speeding tickets.

Was pretty fun here a couple weeks ago, I caught up with a police car. I followed the actual speed limit, and just very gently pushing closer to the police car. In the 80km/h zones I caught up with them, and the 60km/h zones in between they kept driving the same speed while I slowed down to actual 60km/h. No cruise control on that car so I'm going mostly by rpm sound and the occasional glance at the GPS.
Could tell they where pretty annoyed, nothing they could do.
 
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