The point is not to have to pay any personl liability. Yea Im sure they wont be perfect but if they reduce accidents 90% car insurance, ( I pay $1300 CDN a year with no collision, theft or vandalism) should drop accordingly. Does it matter how its paid? You know this tech will get better and cheaper. And do you know anyone thats been hurt in a car? The point is saving lives. The sooner its adopted the more lives it will save. Screw the lawyers.
I wonder about what ethics are programmed into these cars.
Consider this scenario:
A truck pulls out in front of your AI car while travelling at speed.
There is not enough distance to stop.
There is a person standing on the pavement (sidewalk).
The car 'knows' it will hit the truck and the driver will likely be injured / killed unless it swerves to avoid the collision - but doing so will cause a collision with the person on the pavement.
Is the manufacturer obliged to protect the owner above the bystander?
If the car does not take action and the owner killed, is the manufacturer also liable because they could have prevented the owner's demise (at the expense of the bystander)?
How does it weigh the option of one life to another?
Consider this scenario:
A truck pulls out in front of your AI car while travelling at speed.
There is not enough distance to stop.
There is a person standing on the pavement (sidewalk).
The car 'knows' it will hit the truck and the driver will likely be injured / killed unless it swerves to avoid the collision - but doing so will cause a collision with the person on the pavement.
Is the manufacturer obliged to protect the owner above the bystander?
If the car does not take action and the owner killed, is the manufacturer also liable because they could have prevented the owner's demise (at the expense of the bystander)?
How does it weigh the option of one life to another?
I thought insurance premiums work on a one-way ratchet system!
Well known as the trolley problem. Guaranteed to derail any conversation.
My most common non-lethal scenario is trying to cross or enter some intersections, or leave a sporting event en-mass where you simply have to interpose yourself or threaten to hit another vehicle to proceed.
These are difficult decisions for local governments.
On one hand a woman in Tempe(Phoenix metro) was killed by a robot car when they were first testing, on the other hand it is in the Phoenix metroplex that people drive eighty mph on residential streets.
And automated cars will drive the speed limit, slowing traffic down.
Of course, some humans will be filled with rage at that.
On one hand a woman in Tempe(Phoenix metro) was killed by a robot car when they were first testing, on the other hand it is in the Phoenix metroplex that people drive eighty mph on residential streets.
And automated cars will drive the speed limit, slowing traffic down.
Of course, some humans will be filled with rage at that.
in my part of WV, there are sharp turns which barely can accommodate one car muchless tractor trailer rigs which use them plus a typical winter leaves deep axle breaking potholes - I'm somewhat skeptical and would like to see a car traverse these situations hundreds of times, night and day before putting in trust. (not like I'd could ever afford a new car and have not driven for 26yr)
are there remote ways to jam the car's computer?
are there remote ways to jam the car's computer?
There have been proposals to find ways of multiple vehicles being networked as well as signaling and control devices in an effort to use distributed semi-autonomous control of vehicles. Ie each individual's vehicle has some external controls implemented, mainly speed. So giving up individual control would result in theoretical reduced emissions and shorter drive times. Seems more practical than an autonomous vehicle.
I can see that country song brewing.
My dog left me.
Wife left me.
Even my pickup truck left me.
Going to get interesting when they do not need a repo man and your car is behind on payments.
Would be nice to get dropped off at the front of the store and let the car go park.
I know self driving cars could fail but I an not sure they can be any worse than the drivers I have encountered daily.
My dog left me.
Wife left me.
Even my pickup truck left me.
Going to get interesting when they do not need a repo man and your car is behind on payments.
Would be nice to get dropped off at the front of the store and let the car go park.
I know self driving cars could fail but I an not sure they can be any worse than the drivers I have encountered daily.
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It's the machine taking the world!
Just like in the sci-fi movies like Terminator or Demolition Man or i,robot , people will eventually start fighting against their own inventions .
In case of an accident , will the self driving car go to jail/junkyard?
For real , who's to blame ?
The owner? but he was not driving it....
The company? That would be Google/ all the politicians ...well good luck with that...
People will start loosing their jobs, think about the truck drivers, farmers, cab drivers even Uber drivers. Why do we need so much technology ?
I say that I don't like this self driving car idea , but I am too small to make a difference.
Just like in the sci-fi movies like Terminator or Demolition Man or i,robot , people will eventually start fighting against their own inventions .
In case of an accident , will the self driving car go to jail/junkyard?
For real , who's to blame ?
The owner? but he was not driving it....
The company? That would be Google/ all the politicians ...well good luck with that...
People will start loosing their jobs, think about the truck drivers, farmers, cab drivers even Uber drivers. Why do we need so much technology ?
I say that I don't like this self driving car idea , but I am too small to make a difference.
Yes, did you read my reply?
I'd love self drive cars, and I'm a fan of the concept,but on real roads in the real world there are still a lot of problems to solve.
Just this week my local access road was reduced to one vehicle width if you were careful by ice.
As I also said - road trains on motorways are possible and would be doable now and would be great - adding a huge capacity to the roads, much needed in parts of the UK.
The main problem with "driving at the speed limit" is that trucks and the like have much more accurate/tighter tolerance on the speedometer than vehicles for personal use.
There's quite a few regular cars that show between 6-9% higher-than-actual speed, so if you are driving 60mph then actual speed is usually around 55-56mph. If you then add into the mix that people keep their speedometer just under 60mph, to be good honest law abiding citizens, they're perhaps driving somewhere between 53-55 actual speed. Then, you can add to the calculation that they're more likely to mistakenly assume that low&slow acceleration+deceleration at every single intersection makes everything more safe, reducing average speed at every roundabout or traffic light by perhaps another 7-12mph.
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Average speed for working drivers reduced to around 10mph under actual speed limit.
Might not seem like much, but it most definitely adds up throughout the day/week/year.
Quite a few times I've experienced that 3minute difference at specific times of the day can result in 30 minutes to 1 hour extra time behind the steering wheel because of traffic (and I know that is very little compared to other countries).
On my current everyday commute it's much better, a 6 minute delay on my part cause me to spend 15-20 sometimes up to 30 minutes extra in traffic. So mostly I am 20 minutes early and sometimes 12-15minutes late.
I have been sharing the road with self driving cars for more than 20 years. Visitors are often amused when they see one in action.
They do obey the speed limits which is annoying to some. I have seen them follow a completely snow covered serpentine road staying in their lane. Conditions under which I would drive down the center if where I thought the road was.
I have watched intoxicated folks step off the curb in front of a moving vehicle and it stopped before hitting them, something not sure I could have done.
Anyone here driven even a million miles without an accident?
The one fatality so far was with a car using pared down software!
Yes there are lots of single lane courtesy rules road conditions here. And road quality!!!! This is a city of three river valleys and tens of thousands college student pedestrians.
Sadly a college student was killed recently standing on the sidewalk waiting to cross when a human driven bus turning the corner jumped the curb and struck her. Just one of the many injuries and fatalities from normal drivers. Self driving vehicles are much safer.
Next change will be you don't have to buy a car. One will come and pick you up, drop you off and either park and wait for you or get someone else. That is why Uber and others are doing self driving cars. They expect safer and lower operating costs.
They do obey the speed limits which is annoying to some. I have seen them follow a completely snow covered serpentine road staying in their lane. Conditions under which I would drive down the center if where I thought the road was.
I have watched intoxicated folks step off the curb in front of a moving vehicle and it stopped before hitting them, something not sure I could have done.
Anyone here driven even a million miles without an accident?
The one fatality so far was with a car using pared down software!
Yes there are lots of single lane courtesy rules road conditions here. And road quality!!!! This is a city of three river valleys and tens of thousands college student pedestrians.
Sadly a college student was killed recently standing on the sidewalk waiting to cross when a human driven bus turning the corner jumped the curb and struck her. Just one of the many injuries and fatalities from normal drivers. Self driving vehicles are much safer.
Next change will be you don't have to buy a car. One will come and pick you up, drop you off and either park and wait for you or get someone else. That is why Uber and others are doing self driving cars. They expect safer and lower operating costs.
I'd rather have a job close enough to home to use a bicycle.
Better for me, better for other traffic, better for just about anything.
Self driving cars is like using a band aid to battle cancer. There are more people dying from reduced air and water quality because of various types of traffic and industry, than there are victims in traffic. Not to mention reducing the cars needed would make necessary traffic much safer.
I don't see the point, if the need for cars is reduced it will make a significantly larger impact than taking freedom of choice away from people.
What happens if there's a landslide, road is washed away, but you could get around it using an old tractor road or across a field?
And I am not ready to trust a self driving vehicle in a long tunnel.
Better for me, better for other traffic, better for just about anything.
Self driving cars is like using a band aid to battle cancer. There are more people dying from reduced air and water quality because of various types of traffic and industry, than there are victims in traffic. Not to mention reducing the cars needed would make necessary traffic much safer.
I don't see the point, if the need for cars is reduced it will make a significantly larger impact than taking freedom of choice away from people.
What happens if there's a landslide, road is washed away, but you could get around it using an old tractor road or across a field?
And I am not ready to trust a self driving vehicle in a long tunnel.
I am working on getting a bicycle path from near my house to near my place of work. Mostly it is an old railroad right of way. (Not going to be easy!) I did google a suggested route from a good intentioned website. Unfortunately their suggested route would be suicidal. They selected two lane curvy roads with no bicycle lanes or useful berms. Drivers would not be able to see bicycles in time to avoid them and even in some case where there would be opposing cars, nowhere to go even if spotted in time!
The idea behind self driving shared cars is they will reduce traffic on the road. An interesting side feature is they do get better gas mileage from the more controlled driving!
Amazon has actually contributed to reducing cars on the road, by having many shopping trips replaced by a scheduled driver on a delivery route. A bit more obvious during Christmas shopping season by those of us that drive by shopping malls.
The idea behind self driving shared cars is they will reduce traffic on the road. An interesting side feature is they do get better gas mileage from the more controlled driving!
Amazon has actually contributed to reducing cars on the road, by having many shopping trips replaced by a scheduled driver on a delivery route. A bit more obvious during Christmas shopping season by those of us that drive by shopping malls.
@Destroyer "I wonder if self driving cars ever get stuck indecisively at roundabouts"
Yes, they do. Because they dont have an "ego", they are incapable of knowing when it's (dammit) "my" turn - so all the human drivers just step all over them, like a doormat -
Yet, not having an "ego" is the one feature that would make autonomous driving safer. I have to believe many, many accidents between human drivers have "ego" as root cause. (Ever think "(*&$ - I'm NOT pulling over now - no matter how close you ride my rear bumper - I'll drive all the way to Miami like this if I feel like it!" That's a manifestation of human ego...)
I'm sure they'll come up with some algorithm that mimics this, due to customer demand for better performance. In the limit, perhaps we end up with the very same thing - only the stress of contention for every available space-in-time is handled by the machine.
Best to sleep on the way to work - it'll be just fine - you'll arrive intact with the same probability as you would have driving yourself, but without the stress artifacts (the daily rattleling...) effecting your job performance.
Yes, they do. Because they dont have an "ego", they are incapable of knowing when it's (dammit) "my" turn - so all the human drivers just step all over them, like a doormat -
Yet, not having an "ego" is the one feature that would make autonomous driving safer. I have to believe many, many accidents between human drivers have "ego" as root cause. (Ever think "(*&$ - I'm NOT pulling over now - no matter how close you ride my rear bumper - I'll drive all the way to Miami like this if I feel like it!" That's a manifestation of human ego...)
I'm sure they'll come up with some algorithm that mimics this, due to customer demand for better performance. In the limit, perhaps we end up with the very same thing - only the stress of contention for every available space-in-time is handled by the machine.
Best to sleep on the way to work - it'll be just fine - you'll arrive intact with the same probability as you would have driving yourself, but without the stress artifacts (the daily rattleling...) effecting your job performance.
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The AI assist -- particularly the rear-view camera, and alerts to side-coming traffic are quite useful derivatives of the self-driving vehicle for those of us who arent quite there! For the cars I have rented in Europe (France, Belgium and Germany) the "out-of-lane" warning is very helpful. One model in Europe seems to have had a CO2 detector as it warned that the driver was getting tired.
My son and daughter-in-law did that "Pennsylvania Across the State Bike Tour" from her parent's place in PGH -- one night the only thing they had to eat was a pair of granola bars as I guess some of the route is quite "rough".
My son and daughter-in-law did that "Pennsylvania Across the State Bike Tour" from her parent's place in PGH -- one night the only thing they had to eat was a pair of granola bars as I guess some of the route is quite "rough".
That would be the truck drivers fault. And in the video they say the driverless car can tell when someones going to run a red light in front of you and stop. And if the truck was driverless this should not happen in the first place.
Everyone would prefer a job closer to home, how is that going to happen? And if you dont get the point that these things will save lives ( 1.3 million die each year from cars/trucks ) then I cant help you.
Why not ride your bike on the street? You're a vehicle to at that point. Paths are nice but ultimately don't connect most people to where they are going. Also if there is pedestrians on them they're useless because then you're stuck going pedestrian speed the majority of the time...
If there is no shoulder you ride where the passenger side tire on a car would go even when there are cars on the road wanting to pass. They can sit on it.
But your assumption that they'll reduce the cars on the road? Probably a poor prediction. People thought Uber/Lyft would do that and the total opposite occurred. As far as Amazon goes it seems moot. The Amazon delivery drivers drive all day long, they don't park -get paid so little that you make the difference up in taxes like all "rideshare" type companies - so I'm not sure your thought would be supported. But if larger trucks from UPS/Fedex were doing the deliveries, well, that might actually start to reduce the vehicles some... (and the tax burden of every state since the drivers get paid on top of car maintenance)
Self driving cars aren't likely to unburden us economically... They displace people already on forms of public assistance to needing even more assistance, and kick real wage earners entirely off in other sectors... There for these people are not buying products and are a bigger tax burden, all possible due to 5G being forced on you even if your local community said GTFO.
I know that we usually adopt whatever new technology comes our way, for better or for worse.... And sometimes it REALLY IS WORSE. So despite the consequences I'm not expecting it to not happen. We aren't Canada that actually protects some industries...
BTW I'd like to see that snow covered road performance. I bet it was just a puff of fresh snow... meh.
Where I live ego is hardly the problem; the drivers are so f'ing bat-****-crazy that you don't even see it coming because your brain can't F'ing understand what their barely-self-conscious mutated perception of what can be done in traffic will come up with. We're in the top 5 worst cities for driving. But they have very selfish patterns, and sometimes ego's too. One guy wanted to fight me because I gentle bumped my horn when he wasn't going through the green arrow for a turn - to which I did not want to wait another cycle to go through. I ignored him, even rolled my window down some so he could know I would hear him if I thought it was even worth a rat's fart of time to pay attention to his existence other than when he isn't an obstacle in my way - that continued for a few lights.
So here's a big question, if you're late for work and your in a self driving car that's shared and disabled for your controls except emergencies, and has a record of predicted time to work, is it your fault? Can your employer take any action because of it? It's not your fault if it can't figure a good time during peek traffic to do certain actions, is it?
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