There are ways to say an opinion without making other members uncomfortable. State the piece and be brief. However, I consider unreasonable demand of proof on my ability to perceive a difference of 10 dB spl at 80 Hz normal listening level as highly irregular and disruptive, possibly contains ulterior motive against the forum.
For somebody in a recording business to do so really sets off my alarm. How does quality control of the record done when a capability to hear such large difference is considered extraordinary? Does that mean everybody in his studio has no such ability? Does that also mean all of his customers are the same? Probably discerning ability of the general public of some large area where the studio market the records are way off the norm. Is the norm of
the general populace moving their way?
For that kind of difference, I can even tell that my chair vibrates differently on some notes. I consider my hearing perception ordinary and people around me can discern the difference I hear just as well, the younger ones are usually better than me.
But as NP said, "I don't suppose everyone can hear it, and fewer particularly care." It makes perfect sense that a small percentage of the population are not able to perceive difference in sound as large as 10 dB spl. But they should not treat others who can as liar and continually disrupt conversation disregarding comfort of other members. Also we who can hear can not give them satisfactory explanation either. How do we explain the color green to those blind since birth?
However, a mole who works against the forum will call perfectly normal human ability as extraordinary to justify his behavior. He would spread lies telling everyone that he is not able to hear any difference on any difference being discussed, of course without any proof. He may even provide forged proof when somebody ask for it. We know falsifying ABX test to show inability to hear a difference is trivial for those who can hear. Additional indication for me would be that the mole would never show his true name.
I will not deal with a mole, it is the responsibility of moderators to weed them out.
Would you be offended if I'll tell you I am offended by your presumptuous (to put it mildly) message quoted above?
Doesn't sound like this is a place that you will enjoy / be comfortable with. I've been in such place before and I left. You know what, I felt better after I did.
Interesting. I find it hillarious that you are offended. Hmmm, I wonder which part offends you? One thing I do note from you now is that you have no respect to forum etiquette.
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You still can lead by example.Thank you, you still called my chicken scrawl was wrapped nice.
At least two people found the post has so much importance they quote the whole piece.
I'll leave others to dissect your message.
For the rest, calling a scoundrel for what it is is not lack of forum etiquette in my book, IMMV. Calling people "mole who works against the forum", inferring without any proof that some are falsifying ABX test results, provide forged proof, then conflating a medical condition (daltonism) with claims of bat grade hearing, etc... is.
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In my book, disregarding 2 of forum guidelines is. Both :
No. 1 Do be polite. Even when you don't want to be.
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No 3. Don't quote the entire post just above yours.
You like people disrupt this forum by frequently creating situations where other members (even those reading passively) feel uncomfortable and even urge members to leave the forum?
I think a person intent to strangle the forum will not hesitate to do just that. Why do you care? Do you think people with malicious intent are naively honest and play by the rules? It is a fact that ABX test can proof an ability to differentiate but not designed to proof an inability.
I said nothing of the sort. You are putting words in my mouth, not a respectable behavior.
Would you like Bob to leave the forum as well?
The only thing that I would be curious about: any Bybee devices on display or otherwise in sight?
Good, I understand the issue with your Hint issue is still unresolved and the hurdles and denigrating comments you get while trying to understand it a bit better.I ain’t goin nowhere.....dug in like a deer tick on a coonhound!
People come and go on forums all the time. Don't expect that to be something you can control, unless it's your own forum and you are the administrator.
So it turns out that you don't have any proof "that some are falsifying ABX test results, provide forged proof".
Sounds like you would be happy by having your own forum so that you can have a full control over who gets in / stays or what can be posted.
As I see it, the conflating has nothing to do with my words, happened in your head, angers you then blame me, the lucky scoundrel. Not a respectable behavior just the same.
It is impossible to explain how a 10dB spl difference sounds like to those who can not hear the difference. You want other members to accept ability to hear a difference of 10 dB spl at 80 Hz as bat grade hearing? The third member I met who did not find such ability as normal to humans. I thought bats hear ultrasonics, but I wouldn't know. Judging from your post, seems you don't know much either about bat grade hearing. I find it difficult to follow your twisted line of reasoning.
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