I am sure that in these very newspapers, in addition to propaganda, there were good tips. What you can go to the store or the market to buy a pan, butter, flour and choose the fish yourself and fry it at home. Like for example I did yesterday inspired by your post.
And in Florida there are no places where cooking simple food is as possible, because it is not profitable for the restaurant business. Moreover, in all countries without exception, this is a trend in this business. But you can always show your imagination here if you buy raw fish and come to any Chinese restaurant where you can cook it according to your recipe.
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That's one of the new factors. In the past there have indeed been warm/cold periods in EU for instance, but they were always offset by colder/warmer periods elsewhere on the globe. What is new now is that it gets warmer, on average, all over the globe.
Jan
The one defining difference between science and religion is that science provides falsifiable theories and explanations. The target is objective facts. Not so with religion; there is nothing in religion that can be factually proved, nothing that can be falsified. It boils down to 'believe'.
It is only when you refuse to look into the science of climate change that you slide down in religion land. You stop thinking, reasoning, calculating, going into 'believe'.
Which can be a warm and fuzzy place outside of the bad world, but will not stop what is going on in any way. Moreover, it also sets your mind against thinking about it and/or preparing for it. Risky strategy.
Jan
Why not? It depends on how you compare. The temperature near zero in winter is very warm by the standards of, for example, Alaska or Yakutia, where it happens at -60C.
Not really. It is academia and government backed. A rather unholy, but very effective alliance. It also attracts all sorts of shady characters who see easy money to be skimmed (carbon credits). It provides huge revenue streams to governments and feeds a growing army of climate paper pushers.
If climate skeptics were a real threat, there would be laws equaling climate doubt to hate speech.
That being said i fully support the move to renewable energy and electric cars. Yes, the current generation will bear the financial strain of the transformation, but it will still be worth it.
Same as some very successful religions it seems to be exploiting people's feeling of guilt to its advantage. Everything enjoyable seems to be bad. Even a large steak. People around me seem to be going vegan in their droves. Worse than Ebola 😛
"One sure way to correlate the two (carbon dioxide and global temp) is to compare the measured record. Carbon dioxide did increase sharply in last 60 years but the global temperature hasn't. IOW, those two aren't in sync."
It takes a lot of energy to heat at atmosphere that weighs 5.5 x 10^15 tons by 2 degrees and to warm the top 2 metres of ocean. The result are significant time lags in response (something you see in all thermal processes). But, the fact is we can see an abnormal spike in temperatures (and associated weather patterns) so we now its happening. There are plenty of mathematical techniques that allow these types of changes to be isolated - take a look at Kalman filtering for example. The problem now is that even if we stopped all anthropogenic climate warming, temperatures would continue to rise for decades before levelling off, and then another 100 or so before returning to pre-industrial levels. As for the carbon we've pumped out, it will take at least 200 000 years (some estimates put it at 450 000 years) for natural weathering processes to remove it from the atmosphere.
But, closer to home, when you switch your kettle on, or put it on the gas flame, the water doesn't boil immediately - it takes a few minutes and after its boiled, it takes at least an hour or so or the water to return to room temperature - same principles wrt to global warming.
Really? Have a look here:-
"The global estimates fell within a range of about 0.3 ± 0.15 billion metric tons of carbon dioxide per year, implying that human carbon dioxide emissions were more than 90 times greater than global volcanic carbon dioxide emissions."
Which emits more carbon dioxide: volcanoes or human activities? | NOAA Climate.gov
Humans are generating far more CO2 than volcanoes.
It takes a lot of energy to heat at atmosphere that weighs 5.5 x 10^15 tons by 2 degrees and to warm the top 2 metres of ocean. The result are significant time lags in response (something you see in all thermal processes). But, the fact is we can see an abnormal spike in temperatures (and associated weather patterns) so we now its happening. There are plenty of mathematical techniques that allow these types of changes to be isolated - take a look at Kalman filtering for example. The problem now is that even if we stopped all anthropogenic climate warming, temperatures would continue to rise for decades before levelling off, and then another 100 or so before returning to pre-industrial levels. As for the carbon we've pumped out, it will take at least 200 000 years (some estimates put it at 450 000 years) for natural weathering processes to remove it from the atmosphere.
But, closer to home, when you switch your kettle on, or put it on the gas flame, the water doesn't boil immediately - it takes a few minutes and after its boiled, it takes at least an hour or so or the water to return to room temperature - same principles wrt to global warming.
Really? Have a look here:-
"The global estimates fell within a range of about 0.3 ± 0.15 billion metric tons of carbon dioxide per year, implying that human carbon dioxide emissions were more than 90 times greater than global volcanic carbon dioxide emissions."
Which emits more carbon dioxide: volcanoes or human activities? | NOAA Climate.gov
Humans are generating far more CO2 than volcanoes.
+10 at least....
This thread is a really good sieve for drawing out those that don't understand science! All we need now are some flat earthers to join in...
Meanwhile, no one has explained that global warming is really due to Great A'Tuin having a virus and running a high temperature.... 🙂
Don't confuse us with facts and figures - we know! 😎
And anyway, countering stuff with facts will not change minds - you can't reason someone out of a view that wasn't arrived at by reasoning.
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There are a lot of theories and counter theories over what is happening and what is the origin, but what scientific facts are is that the general temperature is rising, polar ice is melting very fast and the climat on a large scale is changing faster than it ever has done. This has mass extinction and instable extreme weather as result.
But at the end, the world will stay existing, and nature will recover on long term (i speak over millenia). It happened before with the mass extinction of the dinosaures (probally due to a comet that hit the earth) where 80% of the existing life was gone. When it really goes that way, i don't think we will survive it. And if humanity survives that, at least a big part of the human population will be gone and the chaos will be total...
But at the end, the world will stay existing, and nature will recover on long term (i speak over millenia). It happened before with the mass extinction of the dinosaures (probally due to a comet that hit the earth) where 80% of the existing life was gone. When it really goes that way, i don't think we will survive it. And if humanity survives that, at least a big part of the human population will be gone and the chaos will be total...
James Lovelock (the 'Gaia' guy climate change deniers love to hate) talks about species die off and changes in weather patterns. It seems the Gaia system is very finely balanced. Then you shock it, as in say the meteorite that struck the earth 65 million years ago, or anthropogenic atmospheric pollution as is the case now, the system moves to a new control setpoint as it tries to self regulate. So although to us 2 degrees seems a small amount (but think about how much additional energy is required to raise the temperature of a planet by 2 degrees) the system response is a change in weather pattern, species die off etc.
James Lovelock – Originator of Gaia theory and inventor of the electron capture detector
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James Lovelock – Originator of Gaia theory and inventor of the electron capture detector
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Species also immediately take advantage of new opportunities. In my part of EU we seen what we call 'exotics', species of plants and animals that once were only common in Southern EU or Near Asia now moving up their habitat into our regions. So all of a sudden a certain type of trees is dying off at an alarming rate due to new insect predators, while new types of weed spring up everywhere. It's all very dynamic, and there is nothing inherently good or bad about it, it just is.
The issue with humanity is that we live in a finely tuned environment that we modeled largely to our needs, and when that gets shocked and upset, havoc will break lose between peoples, tribes, nations, what have you, over food, energy, water. Water in particular.
Lets take an hypothetical* example: suppose increased drought in Turkey increases the need for that country to extract (much) more water from the Euphrates and Tigris rivers. Syria, Iraq and a couple others will then look at water shortages on a large scale. You think they would just sit there and let it happen?
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*it's already happening; opening volleys have been fired, so far vocal only.
It's happening here in Australia as well, farmers are complaining about the amount of water being diverted and syphoned from the river systems by the irrigators for growing cotton and nuts.
It hasn't rained where I live for about 3 weeks.
It hasn't rained where I live for about 3 weeks.
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Humans can manage 45 although it’s very uncomfortable. They cannot manage +55 temperatures. And it’s not isolated cases of 1 or 2 folks trying to walk across Death Valley at midday that’s in question. When you have a city like NY or Tokyo sitting at 55+ is when the issues start.
(I lived in Asia for 10 years +38 and high humidity I’ve experienced. Been to Huntsville many times on business 🙂 )
Joe Paty’s in Pensacola has the best in the panhandle.
Parramores in blountstown has the best fried catfish
Up the creek in Apalachicola does some of the best oysters and all around
Lynn’s in eastpoint does some of the best steamed shrimp and fish dip
But it’s hard to beat fresh off your own boat and into the oil the same day!
Since the end of the 1950s solar activity has been declining while temperatures started to rise. The date of the geophysical year even was chosen to coincide with the maximum sunspot cycle. Some ham radio operators might remember it as even during the night, 10 meters was "open" and you could talk / listen to folks on every continent, using no more than a knitting needle as the antenna.
Why would you say that ? 🙄 You can easily find plenty of studies online on this topic. In short: it's not very important.
Is the Sun causing global warming? – Climate Change: Vital Signs of the Planet
Did you read the link he posted? It shows recorded warming trend elsewhere outside of Europe during medieval period.
Which science are you referring to? I'm asking because there are many out there with varying info.
It is really. Financial incentives abound in audio electronics by making consumers believe certain audibility claims, a.k.a. FUD.
CO2 and temp chart over millions of years showed the following trend of CO2, not leading.
Where do you get "facts" from?
Is there a way for us (humans) to change that?
It is not universally academia backed and dissenting voices are silenced and sanctioned. It is marred by scandals and controversy and secret financial operations. The solutions are concentrated on financial instruments rather than technology and the public is constantly lied to regarding the costs/benefits ratio . The science is not settled and is not able to give any definite predictions . It simply cannot at present development but it is presented as an Axiom. It IS more a social/ religious movement than a scientific action and it often (regularly) takes hysterical forms . It doesn't have universal government backing just an empty declarations.
It will be a bust and may ruin the west.
I'm also a proponent of electric cars which can run for a week without charge and cost below $20k for a family sedan and are not built with fossil technology.
Then you're not doing it right! You must have two things:
1) Lots of beer, and
2) At least one good friend
I've been fishing when we never even picked up the poles, just sat in the boat. That was about 25 years ago, and I still remember it as a great night fishing. Oh, to stay on topic- it was a warm night in the summer.
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