John Curl's Blowtorch preamplifier part III

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This kind of steady state measurement (which is used to get the THD numbers) does not reflect the reality of reproducing music.

You are once again using "steady state measurement" in a proprietary and incorrect way.

Your previous "definition:

Steady state as a term is often used when describing LTI systems and by _definition_ _excludes_ _transient_ _processes.

Therefore the usual measurement using sine waves is considered as _steady_ _state_ _measurement_

Also doesn't make any sense. Linear time invariant systems (LTI) is a class of systems and it does NOT by definition exclude any "transient processes" (whatever one can infer you mean by that). Time invariant systems are systems that have the actual output independent on the past system behavior. "Steady state" is nowhere used in defining a LTI.

To add insult to injury, the definition of LTI has nothing to do with "steady state measurements", so your "therefore" logic implication is simply a blow in the wind. You were clearly told what a "steady state measurement" is understood by, however you continue using your own definition to promote yet another pile of bull chips.
 
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If you had ever produced any cogent argument why it wasn't a model (instead of just insisting it was & that's, that) I might change my mind but so far, nada.
I don't care if you change your mind or not, like I said you don't understand the basics, very easy for you to educate yourself, not my job sorry. If you ask nicely I have an example for you but I reckon I'd be wasting my time, your bias is too strong
 
There we have it but the "fourier defence team" want to extrapolate from steady state test signals to music signals simply because they are true believers & won't accept that the model has limitations

Let's use their same logic on matter - all matter is composed of atoms therefore studying an atom gives us the reality about all matter - hmmm?

Indeed, it is somewhat like taking a nighttime photograph of a dynamically changing vista using a long exposure time - the parts (lights) of the image that are steady will be enhanced in the image & easily seen - the parts that occur momentarily fade into the background & aren't visible so fixed points of light will be enhanced & obvious but a moving point of dim light will not.

Yet when we look at the same scene in real time, that has been photographed, we easily see this moving dimmer light & it draws our attention more so than the fixed point of light - such is perception - these are fundamentally different views of the same scene & trying to extrapolate from the photograph to the scene we have witnessed is trying to use two different frames of reference

With all due respect mmerrill99, there are only two possibilities.

a) You have no idea what you are talking about
b) you purposefully insult well over a century of cumulated education of those members you are addressing.

I personally still believe it's a) but others may think otherwise.
 
Just incase you forgot Mark it was about the fact that it is not a model that music is made of sine waves.

Mostly that is conceptually true. However, strictly speaking music is not made out of sine ways extending infinitely forward and backwards in time. That would make them start and end beyond the probable bounds of the existence of the universe.

What we can do is assume the music, say a song, repeats infinitely over time, and find the sine waves that would exist along with it in that case.

As a practical matter, we can ignore the extremes of mathematical theory and use FFTs as a very practical tool. I do that too and it can work quite well in many cases. Always worth doing. However, as a practical matter there are some things it won't show well. There was a patent IIRC to randomize the crossover voltage of a class AB or class B output stage. That makes the crossover distortion appear at a random point in each waveform. If we take a long FFT to get good frequency resolution, that crossover distortion will seem to have disappeared which might make someone miss it or believe it to be inaudible, which it is likely not. If we use a short FFT of one cycle of a test sine wave, then the crossover distortion will not be random for that one cycle, but then noise will also appear to be more deterministic.

Again, I would say music can be said to be composed of sine waves, at least for many practical purposes. However, it can also be considered not to consist of sine waves in reality, if we are concerned about certain practical problems that may be encountered.

Sorry, I know its complicated, but the intent is not to muddy. Its just the way the world and reality is, its quite complicated when we look closely. And, often we argue with different underlying assumptions which if we just spelled them out clearly might resolve the dispute right there. Really, people probably do agree in many cases when it comes down to all the details.
 
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There was a patent IIRC to randomize the crossover voltage of a class AB or class B output stage. That makes the crossover distortion appear at a random point in each waveform. If we take a long FFT to get good frequency resolution, that crossover distortion will seem to have disappeared which might make someone miss it or believe it to be inaudible, which it is likely not. If we use a short FFT of one cycle of a test sine wave, then the crossover distortion will not be random for that one cycle, but then noise will also appear to be more deterministic.

Of course, and guess why? Because the Fourier theorem is violated. Such a system would no longer be a time invariant system, the system non linearity is now a function of time, Unless you consider the average of the stochastic process involved in randomizing the crossover distortion, then Fourier would successfully apply. BTW, such a time variant system could also generate non harmonic spectral components.

So your example is hogwash.

Otherwise, it was clearly shown by myself and others that the Fourier transform applies very well to aperiodic signals. If you believe such an approach would bring any new insights, then please apply it and come up with some extraordinary proof for an extraordinary claim.
 
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I don't care if you change your mind or not, like I said you don't understand the basics, very easy for you to educate yourself, not my job sorry. If you ask nicely I have an example for you but I reckon I'd be wasting my time, your bias is too strong

With all due respect mmerrill99, there are only two possibilities.

a) You have no idea what you are talking about
b) you purposefully insult well over a century of cumulated education of those members you are addressing.

I personally still believe it's a) but others may think otherwise.

Yep, as I thought, not a shred of counter argument, just the usual attacks & insults of the poster
As they say when that is all that's left for countering, it's obvious which side is threadbare of thoughts/understanding of their contentions

When are we going to hear the "fourier denier" trotted out? What about nobel prizes? Haven't heard that counter in a long while. "centuries of cumulated knowledge" is a twist on it but I guess there are only a couple of different ways to hurl the same old attempts at insult?
 
What is being missed in the sniping is the joy to the 5% that there is now another option in reduculously OTT performance coming on the market which, for the DIY'r should be about 1/3 price of the Benchmark AHB2. I think this is cause for celebration even if totally wasted on me
 
strictly speaking music is not made out of sine ways extending infinitely forward
and backwards in time. That would make them start and end beyond the probable
bounds of the existence of the universe. What we can do is assume the music,
say a song, repeats infinitely over time, and find the sine waves that would exist
along with it in that case.

Examples of an infinite sine with various windowing functions to make it physically realizable.
Windowing adds a continuous spectrum to the original sine frequency.
https://www.researchgate.net/profil...ect-of-windowing-functions-on-a-sine-wave.png
 
Sorry when I was in China, they said they intended to integrate them together. I guess the performance did not justify it.

No worries, even their external headphone driver IC would not cut it for Richard based on the somewhat arbitrary requirement that a headphone be able to drive planar magnetic headphones to deafening volume levels.

I wonder who designed the IC in the dongle? Apple does a lot of stuff in house these days, but I'm not sure an audio codec chip is important enough for them to acquire a team. IIRC they have used Cirrus and Wolfson parts in the past.


What is being missed in the sniping is the joy to the 5% that there is now another option in reduculously OTT performance coming on the market which, for the DIY'r should be about 1/3 price of the Benchmark AHB2. I think this is cause for celebration even if totally wasted on me

I must have missed it, what is the new amp?
 
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