The problem is we are supposed to talk about DIY in audio. Half of people, here, are spending their time to make personal attacks, instead of addressing the subjects with arguments. Your answer illustrate perfectly this bad behavior.
Think-to it.
When two pages seem to be devoted to investigating the real identity of a contributor, we reach peaks of intolerable intolerance and stupidity.
Then isn't it worth knowing who is talking about it from this angle and who might not be?
That’s exactly the problem. If anybody has ever seen something built, tested and listened to by yourself, MM, Jakob, SaM, and the rest of your fan club here, let me know, I would be the first to appreciate. Or at least a design idea, a construction tip, an original schematic, a practical advice, something that looks like audio DIY beyond the lip service FUD you are delivering on a daily basis.
It could be argued that some in the opposed team don’t do it either, which is perhaps true, but at least I don’t hear from them any outstanding claims; some are here obviously for the fun of it. Which some of you are obviously not, you included.
Something like this:
is a quite outstanding claim (of course, quite outstanding nonsense too)
and although that is an extreme example, there are a lot of outstanding claims to find, but as usual the gauge is flexible, probably/allegedly depending on group affiliation, strong personal beliefs and personal animosities.
The ability to read other members minds is obviously a prerequisite for any "true" objectionist, isn't it?
Some are here because they are old men who like electronics and audio, and this happens to be the place to find like-minded people. Except, it turns out some of the old men aren't a bad fit for the 'grouchy old man' stereotype.
There is a strong human tendency to trust one's own senses over those of others, and to trust one's own intuitions and beliefs over those of others. Then there is overconfidence bias, one of the really big, strong biases. You can see it in people here who believe their views are the only right views.
You are good at keeping tabs and grudges, I'll give you that. That is a statement made by myself, around 2008 (11 years ago), soon after the Meyer/Moran debate rage began, and it is an opinion (not a claim) that I still stand by. They did something relevant, while you and your next of kin were (and still are) sitting on the fence grumbling and moaning. Reminds me of the two elderly in the Muppet Show, minus the dry sense of humor.
Meantime, each time somebody asked you for an example of a satisfactory test setup, or of results from your own studies (at least at Meyer/Moran level) all they got was (and still is) lip service and at best 500 pages of references to read.
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It is very funny (or not funny at all).
On an other forum, a respected and well known audio designer came in, under its real name, and answered this aggressive and stupid words of a contributor:
"aesthetic judgement are forbidden on this form"
by those words:
"Is that true, it would be unfortunate if that was so?"
It was followed by a lot of aggressive comments, that all were destined to place definitely this new member in the camp of the awful subjectivists. Blowtorsh thread like.
Until somebody wrote this, after a short description of the references and career of the new elected snake oil vendor:
"Not to embarrass him, but he is one of the two smartest people I've ever known, and I say that as someone who has worked with Nobel Prize winners. His depth of knowledge on analog, digital, mixed signal, metrology, and signal processing exceeds everyone on this forum put together and tripled.
If I were you, I'd pay careful attention to what he says. You may not always agree, but you'll get a cogent, coherent, and intensely honest answer from him."
After this, the ambiance turned dramatically in an embarrassing silence and some attempt of the stupid authors to hide the ridicule of their previous positions and save their face. Talkative (both ways) about "submission to authority".
Go figure, the attacked subjectivist pseudo was: "Scott Wurser" that the same pure objectivists who are rife here use to take, I'm sure against his will, as their reference.
Maybe that would give some people here thought about the stupidity of their preconceptions and extremism if they were capable of such a feat.
On an other forum, a respected and well known audio designer came in, under its real name, and answered this aggressive and stupid words of a contributor:
"aesthetic judgement are forbidden on this form"
by those words:
"Is that true, it would be unfortunate if that was so?"
It was followed by a lot of aggressive comments, that all were destined to place definitely this new member in the camp of the awful subjectivists. Blowtorsh thread like.
Until somebody wrote this, after a short description of the references and career of the new elected snake oil vendor:
"Not to embarrass him, but he is one of the two smartest people I've ever known, and I say that as someone who has worked with Nobel Prize winners. His depth of knowledge on analog, digital, mixed signal, metrology, and signal processing exceeds everyone on this forum put together and tripled.
If I were you, I'd pay careful attention to what he says. You may not always agree, but you'll get a cogent, coherent, and intensely honest answer from him."
After this, the ambiance turned dramatically in an embarrassing silence and some attempt of the stupid authors to hide the ridicule of their previous positions and save their face. Talkative (both ways) about "submission to authority".
Go figure, the attacked subjectivist pseudo was: "Scott Wurser" that the same pure objectivists who are rife here use to take, I'm sure against his will, as their reference.
Maybe that would give some people here thought about the stupidity of their preconceptions and extremism if they were capable of such a feat.
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At this point it wasn't important that the poster of this claim/statement/opinion was you.
That you still stand by it, I'd say illustrates the problem, but that isn't the point either.
It looks like a claim, but if it should be considered as just an opinion, ok, no problem.
Wouldn't it be better if you'd show the same genorisity to other posts/members?
Just take their statements as opinion, but not as claims.
You could still argue why their opinion isn't correct, but maybe it would help to take the heat out of the back and forth, even leading to some meaningfull discussion?!
Let's pretend your assertion....err...opinion is correct; could it be that you're just sitting on a fence while pointing at me, mhm?
Wrt dry sense of humor, you're most likeley correct, though.
Let's pretend your opinion is correct; could it be, that you haven't read a single one of the references? Maybe already exhausted by keeping your position on the fence?
In fact over the years some people in various forums were quite interested getting specific advice and were satisfied with it as it helped them getting better results. The difference? Simply they were not just sitting on the fence and complaining about others, instead showed some efforts.
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"What do you think of it so far?"
"It's good for what ails me"
"What ails you?"
"Insomnia"
Perhaps it's all just lost in translation, but this diatribe somehow illustrates to me how much you seem to miss the point many times. Oh well....
Which may, or may not be true. Unless the article in question is presented for us to read, it's rather pointless!
The Meyer & Moran article (link) has been discussed in many places. The authors have also addressed some of the criticisms. You can google it.
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