Let's be clear regarding veganism: Definition of veganism | The Vegan Society
In my view the key word here is exploitation, and how that has been interpreted
That's more accurate, yes. The Vegan Society doesn't really care why just so long as you do
There is a Honey Industry RFID tag pilot project underway right now that will cure the problems of unknown provenance and unknown quality, stay tuned.
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Yes I agree, pehaps what I wrote is not precise enough. As I said the liver is producing for the most the cholesterol but indeed around 30% produced comes from an external factor
what we eat as you corrected above, so transformed inside anyway, yes !Yes I refered to the "dominantly carbs products : rice, pasta and so on as a factor of increasing cholesterol possibility as pointed out evenharmonic by saying there are carbs diets that reduce cholesterol level too from blood analysis.
But yes, indeed too much quantity of carbs may increase cholesterol level. In some culture peope eat carbs in too high daily quantity.
And you can produce too much cholesterol without eating animals food from what I know. The liver produces too much, often a genetical gift
!Yup we stock sugar/carbs as fat, if we stocked sugar as a reserve we will be 10 x bigger ! Fat is less space consuming to stock - imho that should be explained to very obese people to let them understand the desequilibrium on their daily diet, more pedagogic than using the guilty concept.
That's where I think not experienced vegies or vegans can be wrong : lake of knowledge can induce a desiquilibrium in the equilibrium of quantity needed.
Btw we talked of studies about people being very old. They also observ than some poor population are living longer due to eating less than their daily needs but without starving. Despite their poverty at the opposite at Monaco where the little space and better knowledge of their habitants allow fast going to the hospital and a proper information: mainly habitants from Monaco are not born there, nore they have the mediteranean diet... but the best wines cause they have the monney... and many drink too much for an healthy effect. Alcohol is a beach for our health and in some beers there is 100 x the radio activity level allowed by FAO ! Close medecine helps a lot to live longer.
In China there is an area a little like Okinawa for the long life : scientists have studied it but have pain to understand the balance between their ethnic origin and the way they lived. They eat few meat (chicken and pigs, no fisch or rarely from river). Anyway they observ they eat less than their daily needs due to lake of food and price of rice for them. Maybe also too much carbs can be an issue for health if too much eated, dunno.
Hope it's more correct about cholesterol, don't hesitate to correct and/or add.
No doubt the diet can be a factor of human exploitation too as a product made by humans. It's defenitly difficult to know what we really eat and what we should eat and the quantity.
On the ethic and moral vision, I like what vegans say while as enlighted there are some limitations if we put the human being in the chain ! Hard to avoid exploitation and moral : from the bio athanols in the gazoline, to the vegetables insecticides and pesticides feeded for animals fooding and people too. Palm oils field that reduce animals species or primal forest cuted to make huge farm without too much working people. As long distance to eat everything whatever the season or the place. (soils becomes more and more poorer in some place due to the poor soil diversity (no trees on long distance in the fields with no trees, tons of glyphosate and likes...)
Would like something that merge more all of those factors ! Hard : too much lobbies and habits, lake of information or falsified ones due to economical interests: eating better can be seen as source of profit so not seen as a basic need. So in my head as many others people : it's not about just not eating animals : that's all the food chain that sucks, when I think some profit from their retirement with no ethical fonds betting on chemical industries or bad food industries or huge farm organisations than destroy other lifes...Not a plot, just monney! I'm saying myself it's time to react... Going on Mars will wait, not a priority.
Sorry, way too long post for a forum, but interesting discussion here : I learn a lot, thaks gents for that.
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I think synthetic foods similar to the original Velveeta are a solution for both veganites and meat eaters. It makes total sense to me. No pesticides, no gmo, no guilt killin furry critters. No radiation for sterilization, it's Utopia...
I think synthetic foods similar to the original Velveeta are a solution for both veganites and meat eaters. It makes total sense to me. No pesticides, no gmo, no guilt killin furry critters. No radiation for sterilization, it's Utopia...
The modern Velveeta has dairy as government mandate but original was synthetic.
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I don’t think it’s ever been fully synthetic.....but if the space men say so it must be so.
I wasn't trying to convert you. I just want to see what your sources are. Since you have researched this topic for years, it should be easy to cite couple of them. Lets see them.
I can only eat red cheese and then it has to be cooked or in a pie or on toast.
I've researched it for a few years but that has been years ago. I've seen enough evidence to be convinced and set this aside -- forever.
It seems like you're looking to prove me wrong, but I won't participate. Luckily in the modern day we have something called a search engine. If you actually want to learn whether meat increases the risk for heart disease, it won't be too hard to find the answer.
I actually find it quite sad the earlier use of "vegan propaganda".
Most vegans do so to reduce the suffering of animals. That is literally all we have to gain in this world. Clearly, some people could care less.
On the other hand, the meat industry wants your $$$.
Which side here has motivation to spread propaganda?
I just toast one side. The gaps between the cheese then get toasted when you turn it over.
Interesting, as the red colour is simply an addition to the cheese.
A harmless vegetable colourant, Annatto, is used. Annatto comes from the seeds of the Achiote tree (Bixa orellana), which is native to South America and the Caribbean.
Why are some cheeses red or orange?
P.S. Just toasting one side of the bread is the correct answer!
Interesting, as the red colour is simply an addition to the cheese.
A harmless vegetable colourant, Annatto, is used. Annatto comes from the seeds of the Achiote tree (Bixa orellana), which is native to South America and the Caribbean.
Why are some cheeses red or orange?
P.S. Just toasting one side of the bread is the correct answer!
I meant as in Red Leicester (UK) cheese.
Red Leicester is mentioned in the opening sentence of my earlier link Nigel, and it would appear to be coloured by Annatto.
Wikipedia says: "Red Leicester is an English cheese, made in a similar manner to Cheddar cheese, although it is crumbly, sold at 3 to 12 months of age. The rind is reddish-orange with a powdery mould on it. Since the 18th century it has been coloured orange by adding annatto extract during manufacture."
Wikipedia says: "Red Leicester is an English cheese, made in a similar manner to Cheddar cheese, although it is crumbly, sold at 3 to 12 months of age. The rind is reddish-orange with a powdery mould on it. Since the 18th century it has been coloured orange by adding annatto extract during manufacture."
Science is never set. It's subjected to ongoing research. Just like coffee is bad for you, then changed to good for you, coconut oil is bad for you, then good for you, then bad for you again, then good for you as the latest research revised.
As I already stated on post #1390, I have researched.
There are vegan propaganda out there. Just because you don't know or believe it doesn't make it a universal truth.
I mentioned bio chemistry along with name late Fred Kummerow. I haven't mentioned meat industry.
Your refusal to cite the source tells me that you aren't confident with the accuracy of source.
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