There is no Brigade. It sure looks like you want to lump everybody who hears differently from you in some loony bin. If so, that would make you bigoted, which I hope does not turn out the be the case.
As a practical matter, there is no way to verify all claims of what people may or may not hear. So, we are stuck with some of that like it or not. Hi Fi is after all for people to listen to, and many claims as to what something sounds like may be useful clues to areas of a design that could benefit from some more work. As I said previously, the problem is separating out more reliable reports from less reliable ones.
You may be also be interested to know that JBL trains listeners to evaluate loudspeakers. They think there is some advantage to having humans serve as some kind of test instruments (as often must be done in medicine). It may be noisy, imperfect data, but that doesn't necessarily make it useless data.
As a practical matter, there is no way to verify all claims of what people may or may not hear. So, we are stuck with some of that like it or not. Hi Fi is after all for people to listen to, and many claims as to what something sounds like may be useful clues to areas of a design that could benefit from some more work. As I said previously, the problem is separating out more reliable reports from less reliable ones.
You may be also be interested to know that JBL trains listeners to evaluate loudspeakers. They think there is some advantage to having humans serve as some kind of test instruments (as often must be done in medicine). It may be noisy, imperfect data, but that doesn't necessarily make it useless data.
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Would it be equally dismissive to adopt the perhaps not so common stance of "we cannot hear everything that we can measure" ? Or is it one and the same thing?
ToSNo, not at all. My experience with people varies a lot. However, people on average tend to improve in skill over time with training and practice. For someone to start making a little progress is usually pretty easy. To get as good as one could, however, can be expected to take a lot of time. Months, years...
i never applied for and was surprised myself, who am i to refuse? its the least i can do for this great board... when you become a mod, you will know...
+1. it is easier to learn when talking to someone than just by reading alone, i studied engineering in college and got some skills, but by joining this board, concepts that were once vague to me became clearer..learning is faster..
After you get a taste of a 30K system temperature like myself, I believe nobody would think otherwise.
i remember when some members call another guru like member, "mister know it all" for being too abrasive in responding to newbies at times....and that is not good either....
i doubt that there are many female members here...
At the risk of offending some rule, I have to say that one of the confusion floating over any newcomer to this forum is about the level of expertise among the moderation team members. A natural instinct (I would think) makes the n00b newcomer to believe moderators are "gurus" instead of just rule enforcers. As such, they expect advice and guidance from them, trend to to be suspicious of any other source, and are sometimes confused when they don't get it. Some overlapping between the moderation activity and an commercial interests (one was just quoted above) is also not helping the credibility.
Heard this from a number of beginners that contacted me in private over the years. Perhaps a stronger statement about the roles and responsibilities of the moderation team would level the expectations.
Heard this from a number of beginners that contacted me in private over the years. Perhaps a stronger statement about the roles and responsibilities of the moderation team would level the expectations.
I was talking in the hypothetical: I find your response too cryptic for my limited intellectual capacity to either absorb or understand what you are trying to say or what you really mean.
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There is a well written set of rules which also explains moderation functions. Nowhere does it say that the moderators are hand picked experts in their fields. Some are exceedingly knowledgeable, but not sure where this confusion has come from unless people have not read the rules fully.
They are a nice bunch though and I get on well with those I interact with. Even when being told off. Hats off to them as I could not do what they do and remain sane.
Or in other words Newbs should be told NOONE is a guru!
They are a nice bunch though and I get on well with those I interact with. Even when being told off. Hats off to them as I could not do what they do and remain sane.
Or in other words Newbs should be told NOONE is a guru!
...that nobody reads, to start with. And not saying they are "hand picked experts in their fields" is not equivalent to saying the are not "hand picked experts in their fields".
I was talking in the hypothetical: I find your response too cryptic for my limited intellectual capacity to either absorb or understand what you are trying to say or what you really mean.
I meant, what can be measured at a 30K system temperature, in terms of sensitivity. Hint: you can hear the Big Bang original 3K background radiation.
Scott may share some details about what/how they discriminate from noise and measure at LIGO, via what essentially is a parametric amplifier with some 200dB gain (if memory serves).
a misguided notion...
as mods we can not be all knowing, that should be a given and we do not pretend to be one, like i said mods are chosen based on need of the forum to cover certain areas at any given time, a mod candidate should not have any infractions, must be commited and is passionate about the hobby......
so don't ever be confused, mods are regular guys too just like the rest of the membership, and when you do not see the
sign then we are not posting as mods but as a regular members..
we too have rules that the general membership do not read about...
if you ever become one, then you will know...
Yes, and banned. But that was long ago in the misty mists of time. Things run much smoother now.
a misguided notion...
as mods we can not be all knowing, that should be a given and we do not pretend to be one, like i said mods are chosen based on need of the forum to cover certain areas at any given time, a mod candidate should not have any infractions, must be commited and is passionate about the hobby......
so don't ever be confused, mods are regular guys too just like the rest of the membership, and when you do not see the
I'm an old geezer around, so chances to get confused myself are rather remote
.I was strictly talking about some of the new members. Perhaps a welcome message after registering, with a synopsis of roles, responsibilities and rules would help.
But the same old geezer has to confess he's seen since 2005 several situations where moderators, acting as a true team, were digging each other out of rather delicate situations, where their own ego (and some remnants of the God Syndrome) was involved.
Enough said, I'm not going any deeper with this.
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