looks like I'm done here
Dear diyAudio,
At first I tried swimming with the sharks, then decided to dance with wolves, but in the end I find myself to have become the porcupine who climbed a tree, only to find there is no way back down again. It's hopeless, every time I make a post it gets worse. The more I try to make my posts thoughtful, helpful, insightful, either entertaining or laugh out loud funny, the more alienated I seem to become. Believe me, the negativity hurts.
I therefore have decided to give up any further attempts at discourse, and become a lurker.
So, from now on, you will find me (maybe once or twice a year) in the speaker photo galleries talking about building horn speakers.
Other than that, it's good luck and goodbye. Xxx ToS xxX
Dear diyAudio,
At first I tried swimming with the sharks, then decided to dance with wolves, but in the end I find myself to have become the porcupine who climbed a tree, only to find there is no way back down again. It's hopeless, every time I make a post it gets worse. The more I try to make my posts thoughtful, helpful, insightful, either entertaining or laugh out loud funny, the more alienated I seem to become. Believe me, the negativity hurts.
I therefore have decided to give up any further attempts at discourse, and become a lurker.
So, from now on, you will find me (maybe once or twice a year) in the speaker photo galleries talking about building horn speakers.
Other than that, it's good luck and goodbye. Xxx ToS xxX
Actually, the negativity aspect is probably the most valid point brought up. However, it's really nothing new, and is pretty pervasive. It's easy to be negative: how many threads start off with nobody replying, but then if the 1st response has a technical error or is unpopular, everyone piles on to attack the respondent.
If you examine this on a social scale, you see leaders that can see positive things and project positivity as those who people will follow.
If you examine this on a social scale, you see leaders that can see positive things and project positivity as those who people will follow.
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In fact I believe you raised this point a loooong time back Is it just me or has the tone of this place gone downhill in the last year?. 😀
I found some Englishmen attempts to ban The Pogues - Fairytale Of New York (as homophobic) as much, or even more, offensive.
Odd, I do not see any negative responses to your last couple of posts here. In fact, I don't see any responses at all; is that the real problem?
Could be that there are allready so much valuable content and older threads to learn from. Im kind of new on here - maybe 4-5 years or so. I think there is tons of interesting threads. If I ever should get extreemely knowledgeable about electronics and acoustics, of course there would be less threads that bring me any usefull new knowledge
I sometimes see negativity from very frequent posters, who feels they almost own the forum because of their superior knowledge, which they have to show in every thread they stumple upon. Often they group up and makes not so high quality threads have a very long life. - I could Imagine they are very well represented in this thread.
Anyways; I have gotten very interesting information from both old and current threads. -Sometimes searching, sometimes lurking, sometimes asking.
Also I think the most threads are not negative, and the moderators here are really good.
You can get negativity on every other forum. People with all different types of experience read the postings when they are seeking help or providing advice. It's not a social website, but many people use it as one.
life is hard, with better things to do and think positively about
I wasn't going to engage in any further discourse, but as you asked, and as you are someone I respect, I will say this: the problem is that I do not like the way my own behaviour is being adversely influenced by having to constantly stand up and defend myself from those whom although highly educated, seem to think that because I am able to articulate myself well upon almost any subject, it makes me fair game for online social justice. I will freely confess that by answering back, I have brought it upon myself, and admit to the accumulative corrosive effect it is beginning to have upon my otherwise hard won peaceful demeanour.
I say hard won, because most of us will never experience what it is like to have someone in your face menacing you with the threat of extreme violence, and how to respond to all that without getting mashed. Once the local psychopath finds out you are an artist, they generally leave you alone. But here on diyAudio, it's a different matter entirely. No matter how carefully I choose my words, they seem to provoke a level of self righteous indignation I have never quite experienced in real life.
Because in real life, I go out of my way to help people overcome their differences, and to stop what would otherwise become an escalation into violence. Wherever I go, I constantly maintain an oasis of calm around me. Of course, practicing Tai Chi does help, and a lifetime dedicated to non-violence is part of that, but here on diyAudio it all seems to count for nothing.
I have recently been accused of having an agenda - what agenda? What complete and utter nonsense! All I have to offer is observations. It is what I do, it is my day job, my fly by night job, and my sole reason for being in the world as a functional artist.
What more do some of you people want? I live and let live - what is the problem with that? Is an open heart and mind really that threatening?
Life is hard, with better things to do and think positively about.
ToS
I wasn't going to engage in any further discourse, but as you asked, and as you are someone I respect, I will say this: the problem is that I do not like the way my own behaviour is being adversely influenced by having to constantly stand up and defend myself from those whom although highly educated, seem to think that because I am able to articulate myself well upon almost any subject, it makes me fair game for online social justice. I will freely confess that by answering back, I have brought it upon myself, and admit to the accumulative corrosive effect it is beginning to have upon my otherwise hard won peaceful demeanour.
I say hard won, because most of us will never experience what it is like to have someone in your face menacing you with the threat of extreme violence, and how to respond to all that without getting mashed. Once the local psychopath finds out you are an artist, they generally leave you alone. But here on diyAudio, it's a different matter entirely. No matter how carefully I choose my words, they seem to provoke a level of self righteous indignation I have never quite experienced in real life.
Because in real life, I go out of my way to help people overcome their differences, and to stop what would otherwise become an escalation into violence. Wherever I go, I constantly maintain an oasis of calm around me. Of course, practicing Tai Chi does help, and a lifetime dedicated to non-violence is part of that, but here on diyAudio it all seems to count for nothing.
I have recently been accused of having an agenda - what agenda? What complete and utter nonsense! All I have to offer is observations. It is what I do, it is my day job, my fly by night job, and my sole reason for being in the world as a functional artist.
What more do some of you people want? I live and let live - what is the problem with that? Is an open heart and mind really that threatening?
Life is hard, with better things to do and think positively about.
ToS
Yes. I also think there is not a lot of it here. Some social aspect is ok I think. Especially in the lounge
I left a 41 year career at Motorola 5 years ago. I have been building electronic stuff, mostly audio, for almost 60 years. I have been on this forum for nearly 14 years, and I learn something new here almost every day. Nobody can possibly understand everything presented here, there is a broad range of skill levels here, and someone who is an "expert" in one area of diyAudio may be a rank beginner at another area.
So, there is plenty to learn here.....you might need to wade through some "noise" but the signal to noise ratio here is far better than other places on the web.
The more you know, the more there is to know.
I've been hanging on forums nearly 30 years. Often posing as "knowledgeable". But I learn more than I teach.
But what about those of us who are n00bs in most areas?
There's been a time or two, but hardly more than that, that I've actually, by some insane stroke of luck, managed to contribute somehow.
But most of the time I feel like the definition of "Miserable Old Git" (MOG for short), at 36 years life experience. I think being a MOG at 36 is a decent achievement? Was upgraded to MOG (but then it was Stubborn Old Goat, so actually SOG, but who cares, right?) at just a few months over 30 in this very forum.
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MOG and proud! 🙂
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Anyone who has been on this forum for more than a few years will have noticed that the longer threads tend to go round in circles. The forum itself does the same, with the same questions cropping up and mostly getting the same answers. It always amuses me when a newbie pops up and says something like 'I have read all the threads about X, but could someone please tell me the definitive answer?'.
However, this forum will unavoidably also reflect changes in society. Hence we should expect to see
- poorer manners (social media now seems to ensure that youngsters grow up in a more harsh environment, with little genuine respect for each other and even less for 'old people')
- more ignorance (grade inflation is rampant, at least in most Western countries)
- more alarm at being corrected (silly 'safe space' ideas even in our universities mean that people are unaccustomed to being told they are wrong or having their views challenged, so they regard disagreement as being somehow equivalent to physical assault)
The Mods deal with the worst manners, but they cannot do much about ignorance or alarm. Some people learn, and stay. Some are frightened away. Some stay but seem not to learn.
I like this forum, because I know if I talk nonsense someone will correct me. Of course, sometimes people try to correct me when it is they who are talking nonsense but that is unavoidable and has to be accepted.
However, this forum will unavoidably also reflect changes in society. Hence we should expect to see
- poorer manners (social media now seems to ensure that youngsters grow up in a more harsh environment, with little genuine respect for each other and even less for 'old people')
- more ignorance (grade inflation is rampant, at least in most Western countries)
- more alarm at being corrected (silly 'safe space' ideas even in our universities mean that people are unaccustomed to being told they are wrong or having their views challenged, so they regard disagreement as being somehow equivalent to physical assault)
The Mods deal with the worst manners, but they cannot do much about ignorance or alarm. Some people learn, and stay. Some are frightened away. Some stay but seem not to learn.
I like this forum, because I know if I talk nonsense someone will correct me. Of course, sometimes people try to correct me when it is they who are talking nonsense but that is unavoidable and has to be accepted.
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