A lot more animals are killed and eaten. I think there is still an ethical question here? At the moment the Vegan Society say it is unethical because they are animals
OK, but what if it is to me? When people find out I don't eat meat simply because I don't like it, they are always disappointed. They want some broader/higher meaning.
Your responses, especially last few youtube links you posted, aren't very logical. You stated the difficulty of making informed decision as quoted below,
then you go around posting a bunch of (propaganda / BS) unfiltered videos.
I'm a raw vegan for 3+ years and I was a vegetarian/pescetarian for 10 years before. Basically all I eat is fruits, salads, nuts and sometimes superfoods such as moringa, wheetgrass. My motive for switching was due to health issues, that are still ongoing but since I switched I can feel a gradual, significant improvement. Reducing my biological footprint was never a goal, although it has become an unexpected result.
Trying to catch up on 20 pages after a child's birthday weekend. 🙂
Ethically I think most vegans are about minimizing suffering (insects may well be compatible with that), though some take a rights-based approach (insects might not be). 🙂
To the debate about 'pushiness' and 'confrontation':
Most of us try to make what we believe are ethical choices. Unless you believe morality is entirely about expression of personal preference (emotivism) with no other objective basis or claim to universality, then I do believe that my choice (veganism) is 'more ethical' than the alternatives. Why on earth would I bother, if I didn't (to SJ's comment above, it has not made me irresistible to women - I depend on my interest in Hifi for that)? But we all find ourselves in that same situation over various political or social topics that are verboten here. I think the challenge is where you go with that; Do you accept that people with different ethical positions are still people who, like you, are fundamentally interested in living ethically and engage in a dialogue on that basis - and open to the possibility that you may also be changed as a result - or condemn them as irredeemable sociopaths?
I couldn't be aware of some of the things that go on in (especially) factory farming and not want to see them reduced and stopped - which necessarily means I am concerned with what other people choose to do. But as a matter of tactics I think vegans do much better going after the abusers, not the consumers. Creating more awareness of what's behind $0.99 / dozen eggs (or more likely in the US, stopping producers and their legislative enablers from hiding what's behind $0.99 / dozen eggs) can be a useful part of that. Again, as a tactical matter, it's more productive to say "hey, have you seen what these agribusiness bastards are up to?" than "hey, how come you personally endorse these agribusiness bastards, you bastard?".
Ethically I think most vegans are about minimizing suffering (insects may well be compatible with that), though some take a rights-based approach (insects might not be). 🙂
To the debate about 'pushiness' and 'confrontation':
Most of us try to make what we believe are ethical choices. Unless you believe morality is entirely about expression of personal preference (emotivism) with no other objective basis or claim to universality, then I do believe that my choice (veganism) is 'more ethical' than the alternatives. Why on earth would I bother, if I didn't (to SJ's comment above, it has not made me irresistible to women - I depend on my interest in Hifi for that)? But we all find ourselves in that same situation over various political or social topics that are verboten here. I think the challenge is where you go with that; Do you accept that people with different ethical positions are still people who, like you, are fundamentally interested in living ethically and engage in a dialogue on that basis - and open to the possibility that you may also be changed as a result - or condemn them as irredeemable sociopaths?
I couldn't be aware of some of the things that go on in (especially) factory farming and not want to see them reduced and stopped - which necessarily means I am concerned with what other people choose to do. But as a matter of tactics I think vegans do much better going after the abusers, not the consumers. Creating more awareness of what's behind $0.99 / dozen eggs (or more likely in the US, stopping producers and their legislative enablers from hiding what's behind $0.99 / dozen eggs) can be a useful part of that. Again, as a tactical matter, it's more productive to say "hey, have you seen what these agribusiness bastards are up to?" than "hey, how come you personally endorse these agribusiness bastards, you bastard?".
First off, you can't eat it raw. 🙂
On the other hand fishing has been commercialised in the recent years, which has changed the processing methods. It is not worth for large companies to use small ships, instead they have to use large ones. Once they take out the large ships, it is not worth coming back half loaded on the same day, thus they keep the fish on board for many days on ice. So it is not fresh anymore. Due to the freezing the ice crystals inside the flesh damage the tissues. Once the fish is defrosted and fried it becomes that yucky, sticky fish that recently we had to become familiar with. Otherwise I liked fish before. 🙂
For those people who prioritise the ethical perspective: the large ships drag their heavy nets on the seabed, raking over miles an miles before emptying. Those several tons of nets essentially destroy the home of many other plants and animals.
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Fanaticism is the most trending fashion nowadays. Welcome to the 21st century.
To all your other assertions: very well said bro.
The fish meat? Tell that to Japanese and see what happens.
LOL do they eat it raw?
I presume you mean the suffering when they are killed? I'm referring to insects
That was what Mr Wurcer was refferring to when talking about Jainism: the people of that faith sweep the floor for not killing insect when walking 🙂
Yeah, and of the animals who suffer in arable production. I could see an argument that insect protein is (net) lower suffering even than pure arable...
But if you're vegan because you believe deliberate killing is always wrong (Ahimsa - like the Jains) then it may not help. I don't know the Jainist view on modern arable production.
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