So how fast are we going to devolve into nothing is innovative, as it's all riffs and modifications off oral traditions (slave hymnals for so much of the music coming from the US) and the explosion of written music during the Renaissance as the printing press enabled widespread reproduction?
And you proved your lack of education (and may-be understanding)... as usual.
I was not talking about the quality of musical performances, but *creativity* in music. We don't miss good performances, nowadays, but the thrill to discover new *kinds* of music, new grooves.
Rag time, as an example ?
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A very closed-minded attitude, don't you think? I may not enjoy some new music, but to say music died at the end of the 80s is pretty absurd.
Let's be honest, why did you link this specific one? (the latter)
Anyhow, rather than a ******* match about who has better taste, I enjoy recommendations to expand my horizons. Good chance I won't fall in love with this or that, but nothing ventured nothing gained. And it's fun hearing something new.
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T, I am with you in principle. One of the reasons that I like designing hi fi is to reproduce as accurately as possible much of the music recorded in the past. Most of us find that we most identify with the music of our teenage years, mostly probably because of hormones at the time, but there is music from my grandmother's day that is well worth a listen, as well as some modern stuff, although I don't go out of my way for the latest, even if they are at the top of their career at this time. In any case, who cares what each of us likes?
Often, because of my age, 76, I like the 'oldies' from the '50's and the '60's, because I find a bit of the feelings of my youth in listening to them. I have memorized the words for hundreds of songs from the era, I have come to realize. Good memories.
Do we need first class hi fi for this? No just Wurcer level of hi fi reproduction, first class hi fi is best with classical, good jazz, folk, and exceptional vocalists from any era.
Often, because of my age, 76, I like the 'oldies' from the '50's and the '60's, because I find a bit of the feelings of my youth in listening to them. I have memorized the words for hundreds of songs from the era, I have come to realize. Good memories.
Do we need first class hi fi for this? No just Wurcer level of hi fi reproduction, first class hi fi is best with classical, good jazz, folk, and exceptional vocalists from any era.
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My ratings:
Best hi fi reproduction (usually very expensive and sophisticated)
Wurcer hi fi reproduction
(sort of B+ hi fi reproduction with Sequerra Met7 speakers, an fairly good amp and source.) I am listening to music on fm with this level of system at this time and it is just fine.
Mid fi (cost effective, more for specs and convenience than actual sound quality) What most here probably listen to.
Best hi fi reproduction (usually very expensive and sophisticated)
Wurcer hi fi reproduction
(sort of B+ hi fi reproduction with Sequerra Met7 speakers, an fairly good amp and source.) I am listening to music on fm with this level of system at this time and it is just fine.
Mid fi (cost effective, more for specs and convenience than actual sound quality) What most here probably listen to.
Over the last 15 years I've discovered jazz, and the 50's and 60's music in particular I identify with, odd, it's before my time and I didn't hear it first time round but it almost feels like I did, I wish I'd been around then, I wonder, at the time, was it exciting or just like the boring pop of today?
John, why the "elitist"-fi distinction? It does nothing to advance the discussion.
^SJtheWalesGuy -- there's got to be something said for the filter of time. We really listen to the most popular or "durable" of music from prior ages where the garbage falls off (and the good, but commercially unsuccessful, music goes into oblivion)
^SJtheWalesGuy -- there's got to be something said for the filter of time. We really listen to the most popular or "durable" of music from prior ages where the garbage falls off (and the good, but commercially unsuccessful, music goes into oblivion)
I have found over the last 50 years of being an audio designer, that the 'best' audio equipment takes extra care and expense to make it. This was also true in the tube days with Marantz and early Ampex mastering recorders, etc. These designs became 'collectors items', because they stood out at the time of their fabrication as the best sounding stuff available, and even today are often superior sounding to mid fi equipment to people who bother to discern the difference. For example, my Marantz 10 sounds better than my Sony, Onkyo, or cable fm (that I am listening to on my Wurcer quality system right now), but I only turn it on for the best fm broadcasts
because the principal tubes in it are almost irreplaceable today.
because the principal tubes in it are almost irreplaceable today.
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True. I wonder whether music that was original in it's time can still sound fresh in a way because it seems to be making up the rules on the fly. Music like all the arts references what went before and there is often a timeline that can be followed, that's probably changed now due to the World shrinking and a lot of cross-fertilisation. Re jazz, it had a long "conceptual continuity"
, and yet when I listen to Jelly Roll Morton it still sounds new and modern, he was really making it up, with few references
I do love that Ligeti, although not sure it could be appreciated ears only. I am bemused by the premise of the peak of creativity being 1960-1980. Maybe the peak of cocaine consumption by musicians, but to me the truly creative stuff that enabled the 1960s musically happened waaaay before. And there were a number of 'things will never be the same again' moments in the 20th century that very much shaped the world.
I agree with this guy on what is wrong with the music industry The state of the music industry - The Oatmeal thank $DEITY for bandcamp. You can always find something interesting there.
And for those who say 'ah but the current market means there will never be another DSOM/white album/pet sounds etc' I say 'good'. The world has moved on and music should too.
I agree with this guy on what is wrong with the music industry The state of the music industry - The Oatmeal thank $DEITY for bandcamp. You can always find something interesting there.
And for those who say 'ah but the current market means there will never be another DSOM/white album/pet sounds etc' I say 'good'. The world has moved on and music should too.
I'm flattered that you would even recognize my system, I sense there is something beyond all this jaw flapping connecting us.
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