There's the whole room acoustics thing that everyone ignores to pay attention to shiny amps and stuff
Single bybee would pay for a healthy bit of wood/mineral wool.
One has a huge effect, the other may or may not depending on the competence of the respective amps.
Single bybee would pay for a healthy bit of wood/mineral wool.
One has a huge effect, the other may or may not depending on the competence of the respective amps.
Lots of audible things I have not found measurable yet. For the things I do, not everyone is going to agree either, for example, the RTX6001 that I got was much more clean and just higher fidelity than was I normally use, measurements show that the harmonic distortion is lower over the measured bandwidth, but compared agains speaker distortion, it is way down there for either case such that it is arguable whether the difference between the DACs are meaningful or not, but I feel it is sufficient until I find an example on the contrary. I would spend time to figure out different ways to measure if there is a need to control it. Interconnects was one example. Power cables and other components are tough, but I did once on a crossover capacitor supplier.
There are lots of things that people might just be satisfied with the experience, like with a fine lady, do people measure and compare? It should be measurable.
I didn't think Mark was acting as moderator, I see that Mark is attempting to encourage gentlemanly and pleasant communications between all, it's not that hard.
I certainly see this in his communications and I enjoy it, thanks Mark.
Mark means 'the comments from the peanut gallery' that we have all seen oh so too many times, c'mon guys the likes of Mark and I and others are as keen as any of us to 'sort the wheat from the chaff'.
Sure the audio universe is full of products with doubtful claims, perfectly the same as a million products categories each with a million products with attendant doubtful claims, so what.
If very well healed 'audiophiles' are prepared to spend stupendous amounts of their cash on cables or myrtle blocks or whatever then that's their gig, let them.
Their cash is supporting 'cottage' industries, call it spreading the love and it shortens the dole queues, win win.
Today we have effective consumer protection, so if a buyer is not satisfied he is entitled to return any item within an agreed or mandated period and be refunded.
When the buyer keeps any product then he has accepted ownership, and consumer satisfaction liabilities stop right there.
The fact of keeping any product proves satisfaction, and in the case of audio items this may be the end of a quest and providing happiness, win win.
So, we have audio products with on first inspection dubious claims, but multiple owner reviews state such a product to be efficacious.
It can't be that all of those owner reviewers are wrong so in the case of supposedly 'snake oil' items, reading such reviews and reading between the lines one can glean that there might be just something to seemingly absurd manufacturer claims.
There are plenty of 'out there' audio product claims with attendant theories of operation being uninformed explanations for observations of real properties, BFD.
There are also plenty of audio products with exaggerated claims of efficacy, so what, it all comes back to buyer acceptance or rejection of ownership.
For the audio products that do have that 'something', there is of course a rational explanation of some sort, and the likes of Mark and I are interested in learning what that 'something' is.
Dan.
Riiight, so who is 'everyone', exaggeration I believe.
Sure, and wood and mineral wool are not by definition beneficial.
That statement works both ways depending on listening priorities, room treatment doesn't fix what BQP addresses, and BQP doesn't fix what room treatment addresses.
Dan.
It can be. It almost certainly is. Physics insists on it; psychology provides likely mechanisms.Max Headroom said:
No. Their money could have been spent on useful products produced by people who genuinely know what they are doing. Money spent on snake oil encourages ignorance, which should never be regarded as a good thing.
This thread is largely about claims which are not exaggerated, but simply untrue. We know they are untrue; you could know this too if only you learnt some physics. The only question is whether the sellers know the claims are untrue i.e. are they as ignorant as their customers or dishonest?
Intake of colloidal gold is very useful, mandatory if gold jewelry is never worn.
Dan.
In Germany we've been drinking gold for four hundred years now. 🙂
After a bottle of this you too can hear Bybees.
After a bottle of this you too can hear Bybees.
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Is it possible to spike drinks with Bybee goop? I'm sure it would improve my sight, hearing and probably prevent all forms of cancer to ever appear. It might also cure my diabetes.
It can be. Very easily. The sort of people who buy these things often want to believe. Helps if some friendly reviewer gives it good marks in return for some favour.
I might be German but the only alcohol that agrees with me en masse is Tequila.
(Note: As a German I consider beer to be liquid bread, not alcohol.)
(Note: As a German I consider beer to be liquid bread, not alcohol.)
German beer is amazing. The good stuff cannot be exported because the low alcohol content limits storage life to less than a month.
JC had claimed it makes it taste better. But it has been shown the glass you drink from can change the perception, But as DF96 says, we are in headology at this point.
Culinary gold leaf has been around for ages, eating metallic gold has little use to the body. Beneficial adsorption through the skin is questionable but the benefit of it when it can be assimilated is somewhat well accepted especially with some forms of joint inflammation..
Where do these stories come from? The current current attitude here is next day air and someone will pay. We have live fish in NY markets caught off of Taiwan the day before.
Last time I checked the body of academics suggest that frequency changes around 0.5 dB and above are pretty readily audible by a wide range of listeners. Likewise timing and energy distribution of reflections. I don't care what way you slice it, (non-pathological) cables/Bybees/stones/blahblahblah are NOWHERE NEAR the effect size as changing the way your room's acoustics behave. Sure you can screw up a room, but in comparison, at least one is actually doing something.
Room acoustics here at DIYAudio are basically ignored, while the amount of electrons sweated over tiny stuff (junk?) is inordinate. Sure, some do play around with it here, and places like gearsluts definitely pay much more attention to room acoustics, but let's be realistic, no?
Also, we all try to manipulate the spaces we occupy to our desired ends, and none of us are above that. Mark, you, nor me.
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