Current Feedback Amplifiers, not only a semantic problem?

It's funny that everybody relies on the so called Cordell models.

John Lydon: Religion said:
Religion replaces truth with God.

But then, from the very little I was able to check, they are better than the stock models provided by the manufacturers (if at all). The amount of stupidity in some of the stock models (in particular sourcing from OnSemi) is stunning.
 
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Nice save/spin. Not. <10nV is considered Low Noise. That CFB qualifies.

Oh, I forgot to mention, and 20 times (0.0003%) the distortions of a good VFA (OPA211) which is at -136dB, or 0.000015%. Not that it really matters, anyway, but just for the sake of a fair comparison.

What's left is marketing ("SoundPlus audio amplifier", yeah, right!) and 1000V/uS slew rate for a few sore golden ears with Bentleys in the driveway and a wall of assorted decorative books to impress the idiots.
 
Maybe as a term current feedback is even messier than linearity after all; the number of contradictory meanings keeps increasing:

Series feedback at the output (way the term is normally used in literature from the 1950's)
Series feedback at the output and shunt feedback at the input (Ernst Nordholt, early 1980's)
Shunt feedback at the input (Waly, somewhere in this thread)
Feedback around an amplifier with low-impedance negative input
Feedback around an amplifier with low-impedance negative input having a diamond input stage
Whatever may be in the literature RNMarsh refers to

So three partly contradictory meanings related to the feedback configuration and three related to implementation details of the amplifier to which the feedback is applied.

Does anyone have a seventh meaning?
 
Oh, I forgot to mention, and 20 times (0.0003%) the distortions of a good VFA (OPA211) which is at -136dB, or 0.000015%. Not that it really matters, anyway, but just for the sake of a fair comparison.

What's left is marketing ("SoundPlus audio amplifier", yeah, right!) and 1000V/uS slew rate for a few sore golden ears with Bentleys in the driveway and a wall of assorted decorative books to impress the idiots.

Well, my discrete HPA is at least that good... CMA.... below what the AP2722 can measure. at lower load z, too.

Not that it really matters.

... and what is wrong with my 2017 CTS-V ??



RM
 
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I don't use LTspice, but I think it's a mystery that a circuit at all could be simulated and working before Bob C. came up with the Cordell models.
I don't think that even the amplifiers in his book do work as expected with his own models.
It's funny that everybody relies on the so called Cordell models.

Cheers
S

It's funny how for some here nobody is good enough.
 
is there a way to do a name search for patents somewhere? I want to do a patent search on my name and see which patents show up and how many I have.

Never mind, I found it....... about 11 patents and several new designs not patented but released to public via magazine articles



THx-RNMarsh
 
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Maybe as a term current feedback is even messier than linearity after all; the number of contradictory meanings keeps increasing:

Series feedback at the output (way the term is normally used in literature from the 1950's)
Series feedback at the output and shunt feedback at the input (Ernst Nordholt, early 1980's)
Shunt feedback at the input (Waly, somewhere in this thread)
Feedback around an amplifier with low-impedance negative input
Feedback around an amplifier with low-impedance negative input having a diamond input stage
Whatever may be in the literature RNMarsh refers to

So three partly contradictory meanings related to the feedback configuration and three related to implementation details of the amplifier to which the feedback is applied.

Does anyone have a seventh meaning?

Yes, something I suggested quite some time ago:

A CFA is a shunt (output) series (input) negative feedback circuit topology, having the open loop gain and bandwidth depending on the real part of the feedback network transfer function. Too complicated and nerdy, I know.