Yeah, that was my first thought as well!
Darkness draws it exactly.
But you can see the good side of this:
When did you see the Milky Way last?
Some years back our QI quiz on TV was discussing The Flat Earth. Stephen Fry was having a little laugh about an old lady who thought the Earth was supported on a Turtles back. When asked what about the Turtle itself she said " That's easy, it's Turtles all the way down".
They all laughed and thought themselves very intelligent. However, Turtles all the way down is a concept in the "infinite regress problem". She might have been laughing at them.
They all laughed and thought themselves very intelligent. However, Turtles all the way down is a concept in the "infinite regress problem". She might have been laughing at them.
No, its all those Brussels offices where they work day and night on a better Europe 🙄
Jan
That's it. One day Terry and I arrived in Tornhout at about 2AM and did not have a detailed map, we were lost. Some of what we take to be the local bad boys showed us the road to Tournai ( Dornik ). We got a bit worried when going down a lonely small road following them. All was well.
I guess no one says the Earth is a disc. We only see one side of the Moon as it is a disc also. Well, we see 55% due to wobble.
Aristotle took the heavens to be perfect. The Church of Rome took the scared face of the Moon to be the corruption of us siners that had caused this and had it's perfection ruined. When it was pointed up that the Moon had mountains for Rome the game was up as only Earth has them ( no idea why ). The telescope did that. However as far as I know no telescope can see the Moonlanders! So strange Rome could mix up Aristotle and the good book. It's one thing to use it to make a point, strange when that point isn't in the book.
I guess no one says the Earth is a disc. We only see one side of the Moon as it is a disc also. Well, we see 55% due to wobble.
Aristotle took the heavens to be perfect. The Church of Rome took the scared face of the Moon to be the corruption of us siners that had caused this and had it's perfection ruined. When it was pointed up that the Moon had mountains for Rome the game was up as only Earth has them ( no idea why ). The telescope did that. However as far as I know no telescope can see the Moonlanders! So strange Rome could mix up Aristotle and the good book. It's one thing to use it to make a point, strange when that point isn't in the book.
I am currently reading a book by Dava Sobel: A More Perfect Heaven - How Copernicus Revolutionised the Cosmos. A page turner if you are interested how those early scientists found out, 500 yeras ago, to the minute, how the various celestial bodies turned and tumbled. Recommended.
Jan
That's really what this thread is about, isn't it? "My knowledge is better than your knowledge." or "You are a fool to believe what you do." Most Flat Earth discussions are based on that simple premise.
It's not a bad thing, we could be arguing about who's car or motorcycle brand is better, which beer is best, who's the best, etc. But we are not. We are arguing about our knowledge and our understanding of the world.
Nothing wrong with that. 😎
A laser reflected from the corner reflectors left at the landing sights can be detected through ground based telescopes. I would speculate that the HST could also resolve details of the landings site left-behinds.
Pano I like that you picked the bit of Herodotous that is so well said.
This thread seems to have a subtle difference. Most seem to want to fuel a debate rather than win a point. Mostly because the points are impossible to win. The next bit of Mr H was
" The second opinion is even more unscientific than the one just mentioned, and also, if I may so say, more marvellous. It is that the Nile acts so strangely, because it flows from the ocean, and that the ocean flows all round the earth."
After nearly getting it right twice he settles for a load of nonsense. Hey Ho.
This thread seems to have a subtle difference. Most seem to want to fuel a debate rather than win a point. Mostly because the points are impossible to win. The next bit of Mr H was
" The second opinion is even more unscientific than the one just mentioned, and also, if I may so say, more marvellous. It is that the Nile acts so strangely, because it flows from the ocean, and that the ocean flows all round the earth."
After nearly getting it right twice he settles for a load of nonsense. Hey Ho.
I should point out this Herodotous translation may be like my era's and days from the good book. The translation making him more modern or in the good book's case less so.
It is interesting to think as Mr H wasn't a mathamatician he is overlooked as saying this. It could be as a journalist he was feeling the pulse. I really like the idea however wrong that he was one. My failed Rabbi is now a journalist. The sadest thing about my friend is he is the best real life story teller I ever knew. No one really listens. He keeps his training and tries very hard not to lie when telling the story of people he does not agree with. I really like that. Or he will come out and say " That as you should realise is nonsense ". I asked him why Mr H hardly speaks of the Jews. Paul said " We had just had a dreadful time in Babylon and were keeping our heads down". They also sided with Xerxes which Mr H really has no bad opinion of. Same training I guess.
I think to call him the father of history isn't right. Maybe not a journalist either. Investigator wishing to be scientifically wise perhaps. Babylon had many historians and Eygpt. Much is guessed to be deliberately lost. The Jews have one possible scientific advantage. It is very possible they had an alphabet long before any other tribe on Earth. This means books and knowledge are compact and can be fast to write. Alas they seemed to have no interest in the tool they invented other than the good book ( not so really, Josephus ) The Greeks were very different and were willing to share. On Crete there are remains of an obviously advanced people as the buildings use ideas like Europe circa 1600. No one knows who they were and to look is free of charge at the site. Even Plato's poem says it is of a time long before. Piece at a time there is truth in the poem. The colour of the stones being one. Red, white and black.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Spherical_Earth
I think there is a private Moon mission to see the landers. Anyone like me who loves engineering for it's own sake should read Avro Canada and the Moon landings. So neatly airbrushed out of history. Not for a bad reason. Just a lack of concern for the engineers.
It is interesting to think as Mr H wasn't a mathamatician he is overlooked as saying this. It could be as a journalist he was feeling the pulse. I really like the idea however wrong that he was one. My failed Rabbi is now a journalist. The sadest thing about my friend is he is the best real life story teller I ever knew. No one really listens. He keeps his training and tries very hard not to lie when telling the story of people he does not agree with. I really like that. Or he will come out and say " That as you should realise is nonsense ". I asked him why Mr H hardly speaks of the Jews. Paul said " We had just had a dreadful time in Babylon and were keeping our heads down". They also sided with Xerxes which Mr H really has no bad opinion of. Same training I guess.
I think to call him the father of history isn't right. Maybe not a journalist either. Investigator wishing to be scientifically wise perhaps. Babylon had many historians and Eygpt. Much is guessed to be deliberately lost. The Jews have one possible scientific advantage. It is very possible they had an alphabet long before any other tribe on Earth. This means books and knowledge are compact and can be fast to write. Alas they seemed to have no interest in the tool they invented other than the good book ( not so really, Josephus ) The Greeks were very different and were willing to share. On Crete there are remains of an obviously advanced people as the buildings use ideas like Europe circa 1600. No one knows who they were and to look is free of charge at the site. Even Plato's poem says it is of a time long before. Piece at a time there is truth in the poem. The colour of the stones being one. Red, white and black.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Spherical_Earth
I think there is a private Moon mission to see the landers. Anyone like me who loves engineering for it's own sake should read Avro Canada and the Moon landings. So neatly airbrushed out of history. Not for a bad reason. Just a lack of concern for the engineers.
Warning: This thread is a test of self control and intelligence. You can talk about a ridiculous amount of stuff but when you veer into politics or religion which is very very tempting, you failed the test! We'll see who's the last standing!
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