Okay. I will try to explain some: To say to someone that at least someone can admit something could be taken as a backhanded insult. It's could be interpreted as saying, "You are not all that great, but at least you are not the worst."
I felt you may have intended to be nice, but you left room for doubt. I suggested saying plasnu is an okay guy to mean he is worthy of acceptance by your standards, happily not some intolerable audiophool.
To me at least, it might have left less doubt about your meaning to say, "It's good to hear you say that. Other people don't seem to have as much self-understanding, and that can be a problem at times." At least it sounds less backhanded here.
The other thing on my mind about this stuff is even if one doesn't say anything in reference to a particular person, following someone else's post with one stating the opposite could be taken as intending insult, depending.
Using petty legalism to argue it is not technically referring to any individual so it is within one's rights is something usually frowned on by courts because it may be used to try to bypass the obvious intent (to a judge) of the law.
However, such tactics are not uncommon among school children: "I'm not hitting you, I'm using your hand to hit you." And so on. Adults can get much more sophisticated at it.
The point of the last few paragraphs is that dodging a rule about not being insulting is not necessarily okay, even if it is mathematically and logically within the stated rules.
And conversely, mild comments of a critical nature may not be deemed to rise to a level constituting rule violation.
Anyway, I am left perplexed in some ways at times by some of your stated views, but at least maybe it will help me understand a little better some of the things you may say later on down the road.
No problems understanding your technical points though which are quite clear, although I wonder if everybody has enough background for some things you may take for granted in that realm.
I felt you may have intended to be nice, but you left room for doubt. I suggested saying plasnu is an okay guy to mean he is worthy of acceptance by your standards, happily not some intolerable audiophool.
To me at least, it might have left less doubt about your meaning to say, "It's good to hear you say that. Other people don't seem to have as much self-understanding, and that can be a problem at times." At least it sounds less backhanded here.
The other thing on my mind about this stuff is even if one doesn't say anything in reference to a particular person, following someone else's post with one stating the opposite could be taken as intending insult, depending.
Using petty legalism to argue it is not technically referring to any individual so it is within one's rights is something usually frowned on by courts because it may be used to try to bypass the obvious intent (to a judge) of the law.
However, such tactics are not uncommon among school children: "I'm not hitting you, I'm using your hand to hit you." And so on. Adults can get much more sophisticated at it.
The point of the last few paragraphs is that dodging a rule about not being insulting is not necessarily okay, even if it is mathematically and logically within the stated rules.
And conversely, mild comments of a critical nature may not be deemed to rise to a level constituting rule violation.
Anyway, I am left perplexed in some ways at times by some of your stated views, but at least maybe it will help me understand a little better some of the things you may say later on down the road.
No problems understanding your technical points though which are quite clear, although I wonder if everybody has enough background for some things you may take for granted in that realm.
There, that's one. You quoted someone and proceeded to declare their words nonsense.
I don't think it's nonsense at all, I don't think you understand his meaning, and you jump to a conclusion it is nonsense.
He was saying that to him some opamps sound like they color sound more than others which are much more accurate. That may be true from the perspective of how his brain perceives what he hears.
He said "we" (him and most normal people like him, not necessarily you) don't know if it was intentional or unintentional. Okay, you do happen to know if there is any coloration it is unintentional, but he did leave that as one possibility. So what he says seems within reason for someone not spending a career in the semiconductor industry.
He also said that certain op-amps became popular because of particular coloration sound. That might be quite true if one spends a career in the recording industry, where devices with particular coloration are sought out. It's not nonsense at all to people who listen and choose sounds for a living. They have to be able to do that in their world.
It's not the same as what you experienced. But you seem to assume your reality is the only objective reality. Actually, everybody thinks their reality is the one true reality, so you are not alone in that sense.
But, you are a smart and accomplished guy, and I expect you to rise above the fray a little more and understand some of these things I have been saying. Maybe I am being unreasonable though. They don't teach engineers much about how brains work, different subject area.
Please read what was said, the claim that IC designers anywhere tuned designs for a particular sound in audio applications IS nonsense.
Also please calm down, this is not a producing music forum in any way. We are presented with a stereo signal, two dimensions magnitude and time, and preserving that relationship exactly is the goal of the preamps, power amps, phono stages that we talk about. Anything else is just someone's personal preference. If one claims that there is hidden information that's IMO an extraordinary claim that needs defence.
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Willful misunderstanding is not helpful, it's a debating technique designed to put an opponent on the defensive.
At least in Scott's case, his occasional misunderstandings appear innocent.
That makes a lot more sense that your first response 
. A MUSES01 is $37.50. An AD797 is around $10. LM4562 around $3. 5532 is around 40c. Therefore the most logical explanation for its existence is to make big markup for JRC. Not that I have anything against them (JRC) as using the NJM2068DD in a phono stage as cheap and very low noise.
Does anyone use these wonder opamps in a commercial product or is it just for the opamp rollers?
@Mark: not willful misunderstanding. A nearly $40 op-amp that has worse parameters than A 5532 has to be questioned to having any other reason for existance than making a profit
. A MUSES01 is $37.50. An AD797 is around $10. LM4562 around $3. 5532 is around 40c. Therefore the most logical explanation for its existence is to make big markup for JRC. Not that I have anything against them (JRC) as using the NJM2068DD in a phono stage as cheap and very low noise. Does anyone use these wonder opamps in a commercial product or is it just for the opamp rollers?
@Mark: not willful misunderstanding. A nearly $40 op-amp that has worse parameters than A 5532 has to be questioned to having any other reason for existance than making a profit
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In the first place opamps were developed for analog computers used for ballistics calculations, and industrial control applications. Then someone discovered that they are small and cheap, so they went into mixing consoles.
This test also discovered that there is not much audible difference between them. But has anybody ever tested them against a well regarded discrete circuit that is developed for audio? I know the purpose of this test was different, but I wonder...
This test also discovered that there is not much audible difference between them. But has anybody ever tested them against a well regarded discrete circuit that is developed for audio? I know the purpose of this test was different, but I wonder...
I have read that Muse are used in TEAC or Maranz (I don't remember) players. API has been used for API consoles as well as API outboards for decades in both recording and mastering, and has a great reputation for its signature "sound".
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