Unfortunately our hobby has shifted to the far right of the "Facts<---->Snake Oil" continuum over the past 30 years. I have stacks of hifi magazines from the 70s and no-one there talks of Shakti room enhancers, "directional interconnects" or magical 2-foot power cables. Each issue is packed with genuine advances (complimentary PNP-NPN power transistors, quadraphonics, balanced power supplies, Thiele-Small explained, etc.).
Those magazines have disappeared and the only ones that remain are where hucksters who "cannot review without looking at the brands but think this $30K cable has no right to sound as rhythmic as a $60K cable!" rule the day.
It is hard to imagine how newer audiophiles, fed on this garbage, can avoid sounding like an imbecile. They may in fact be smart, well meaning and most certainly they are part of the community. Ken Livingstone once explained to me that, unlike business, in politics it is hard to choose who you deal with as you need to carry that alcoholic MP, snoring on your shoulder, to his home, as he votes for your causes. Hobbies are a bit like that.
So not complete false equivalence.
Read the articles and study the builds at Troels website 🙂
I've learned a lot from reading his website.
To dethrone the "arrogance" just read the builders response on his website.
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If you'd read his site a little more closely, you'll find Troels explains why he won't answer certain questions.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dunning–Kruger_effect
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dunning–Kruger_effect
I guess that I will pick this (over Troel's speakers):
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HC-mViVQgIw
Anybody know which design it is?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HC-mViVQgIw
Anybody know which design it is?
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The builder shared this in the comments section on the YT page:
Dextrum – Incinta pe 3 cai – DiY Audio
Thanks Dave. It is above $2500, isnt it. I liked what I heard from youtube. Nice selection of drivers.
I don't know If the drivers are within budget but It looks like he's updated the design:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M0GQcAzs2A0
Maybe worth asking his opinion?
I set similar goals when looking to buy my speakers. I wanted proven quality affordable top of the line drivers within a full range speaker that I could build and not spend more than $3k.
I choose the J.Bagby SB Acoustic Satori 3-way. It costs about $1100 in drivers and crossover from Meniscus Audio. It is a modular system so you can use different monitors and mate them to the woofer. You can also buy .5 cuft speakers boxes for the monitors and use them till you have the woofer cabinets. I could get the all the cabinets made or bought for about $400 in raw mdf. Still need to finish the upgrade from the Adelphos to the Kairos crossover version and speaker box, but I built the Adelphos version to make my life easy.
Woofer Add on - SDX10 Bare Bones(pair)
Adelphos / Pair
Troels has a very similar speaker using the same drivers:
SBAcoustics 10
Buy here: SBA 10 - Jantzen-audio.com
I choose the J.Bagby SB Acoustic Satori 3-way. It costs about $1100 in drivers and crossover from Meniscus Audio. It is a modular system so you can use different monitors and mate them to the woofer. You can also buy .5 cuft speakers boxes for the monitors and use them till you have the woofer cabinets. I could get the all the cabinets made or bought for about $400 in raw mdf. Still need to finish the upgrade from the Adelphos to the Kairos crossover version and speaker box, but I built the Adelphos version to make my life easy.
Woofer Add on - SDX10 Bare Bones(pair)
Adelphos / Pair
Troels has a very similar speaker using the same drivers:
SBAcoustics 10
Buy here: SBA 10 - Jantzen-audio.com
I also built Jeff Bagby's Kairos 3 way
Like DearS, I also has similar goals, and choose the Bagby designed Kairos from Meniscus along with the SB Acoustics woofer.
Details of my build are here:
https://sites.google.com/site/mpbarneyspeakers/
Mike
Like DearS, I also has similar goals, and choose the Bagby designed Kairos from Meniscus along with the SB Acoustics woofer.
Details of my build are here:
https://sites.google.com/site/mpbarneyspeakers/
Mike
Great build detail, thanks for sharing. What did you use to the cut the cabinets? I have had a challenge making two pieces exactly the same.
DearS-
I used a table saw for almost all the work, but also used a router for the round-overs on the cabinet faces as well as the internal braces and the chamfering behing the drivers. The project took a bit longer than expected, but the end product was worth the time and effort.
I have a hard time making large pieces perfectly square, but a shop built sled helps a lot.
Use the saw fence to cut multiple pieces exactly the same size.
Mike
I used a table saw for almost all the work, but also used a router for the round-overs on the cabinet faces as well as the internal braces and the chamfering behing the drivers. The project took a bit longer than expected, but the end product was worth the time and effort.
I have a hard time making large pieces perfectly square, but a shop built sled helps a lot.
Use the saw fence to cut multiple pieces exactly the same size.
Mike
It looks like a different design. More expensive drivers but I don't like what I heard from Youtube video. I prefer the first one.
This would be my suggestion. If you're open to more than 4-way, then the NaO Note II RS.
After reading the comments:
1) Post the crossover and cabinet design for your current speakers. Maybe an expert will notice a weakness in the design.
2) (classic-rock and vocals) Maybe you would favor the dynamics and frequency range of an exceptional 7" midbass like the Satori MW19P-4 over your current 5" midrange. Attached example of 2-way design which uses LR4 passive crossovers, which will closely match the LR4 electronic crossover in most sealed box woofers. The Satori MW19P-4 covers the full vocal range.
3) Because you already have a pair of quality sealed box woofers, I still believe building a high efficient horn/waveguide TM (post #10) would best fit your room and musical taste(classic-rock and vocals). diysoundgroup.com Fusion12 comes to mind. Easy to find many proven EconoWave designs at any size and price point.
1) Post the crossover and cabinet design for your current speakers. Maybe an expert will notice a weakness in the design.
2) (classic-rock and vocals) Maybe you would favor the dynamics and frequency range of an exceptional 7" midbass like the Satori MW19P-4 over your current 5" midrange. Attached example of 2-way design which uses LR4 passive crossovers, which will closely match the LR4 electronic crossover in most sealed box woofers. The Satori MW19P-4 covers the full vocal range.
3) Because you already have a pair of quality sealed box woofers, I still believe building a high efficient horn/waveguide TM (post #10) would best fit your room and musical taste(classic-rock and vocals). diysoundgroup.com Fusion12 comes to mind. Easy to find many proven EconoWave designs at any size and price point.
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new Titan LX even better than the Fusion 12 because of ALpha 6 horned for TRock mid-bass behavior ? ???
(both design needs subs for big rooms)
(both design needs subs for big rooms)
Reading this thread as I'm looking at building the Kairos and read your build-log. Holy F***k those look amazing! Inspiring!
/Hilding
DIY Loudspeaker Projects Troels Gravesen
Have a look here. There are dozens of DIY designs in almost every price range. Some of these are very highly regarded and get great reviews.
Selah Audio
Also, look here; same idea. Custom designed and made for you or they can give various DIY designs or some combination of both. Also very highly regarded with great reviews.
Have a look here. There are dozens of DIY designs in almost every price range. Some of these are very highly regarded and get great reviews.
Selah Audio
Also, look here; same idea. Custom designed and made for you or they can give various DIY designs or some combination of both. Also very highly regarded with great reviews.