If that is what you listen to then of course you don't need hi-fi.chris661 said:
Those who prefer acoustic music in a real space recorded using as few microphones as possible (ideally, just two) still need hi-fi.
Wrong woman. My wife and I got together because of our shared love for music. She also encourages upgrades to the system, getting a music server installed, kitchen and bedroom systems etc. She is also very happy when I fix her car.
She has issues with extreme make do and mend (like fixing things that are a few £ to replace) but in general abhors the waste of this modern disposable society.
I am sorry for you that you have not had luck in this area.
I want HiFi. My strategy to achieve it is by using fact based technology, not snake-oil ridden woo-do.
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Well, I search for what sounds good to my ears. And it may not be what sounds good to your ears. Be it Hi-Fi or not, for both of us. It will be my Hi-Fi. I've heard good vinyl, good digital, good PC, good solid state and good tubes. Nearly anything can be made to sound great. To me is just a matter of taste and convenience.
But as much as I respect differences in taste, sometimes I can't help but to think the other guy is deaf.
And the DIY part came along my shallow pockets. I'd love to have a room with Cabasse speakers - the best thing I've heard, by a large margin, but that's really improbable to happen. So DIY Scan Speak makes me happy. Then again, you might have heard both and just called me deaf!
And by the way, fortunately, my future wife loves it! She is a belly dancer and enjoy dancing in the listening room.
But as much as I respect differences in taste, sometimes I can't help but to think the other guy is deaf.
And the DIY part came along my shallow pockets. I'd love to have a room with Cabasse speakers - the best thing I've heard, by a large margin, but that's really improbable to happen. So DIY Scan Speak makes me happy. Then again, you might have heard both and just called me deaf!
And by the way, fortunately, my future wife loves it! She is a belly dancer and enjoy dancing in the listening room.
High-fidelity of speaker is important for high-quality reproduction of sound. Additionally, hi-fi equipment works better than the opposite. Everyone should be interested on it.
You are confusing "what sounds good to my ears" with hi-fi. Two different aims. A common confusion, and the source of many arguments on this and other forums. Hi-fi is 'what sounds like the original instruments'; it may or may not sound good to any particular person's ears. If the original instrument sounded bad, then hi-fi will reproduce this horrible sound. Hi-fi enthusiasts accept this, even though many audiophiles will find this baffling.ramp3 said:
Good for you, but I have had no luck. I'm extremely suspicious if a woman even shows interest in me. I just avoid them, and I've been that way for a long time.
And my experience is that they don't like you fixing things, just that they're fixed.
It's sad I know, but after all this time I don't think I'm going to change. I'm not the kind of person that likes being told what to do. And that seems to be what women are about, telling you what to do and how to think. It's probably my fault, but still no thanks.
Some women are. I was married to one for 15 years! Current one has limits. If a handle fell off a saucepan and I said 'spot of TIG and it'll be good as new' she would probably not agree. But had I not found her I would probably have remained single!
I'm beginning to not care so much about this so called fidelity and focus on perfecting one's hearing ability and the music itself. The quest for the best of the best is like road to El-Dorado - keep searching for 20 years and still not there.
I mean sure, some basic level of fidelity is a must, but once we get into hundreds of $ and boutique solutions, then it's a no-no.
I mean sure, some basic level of fidelity is a must, but once we get into hundreds of $ and boutique solutions, then it's a no-no.
I don't believe so. Where do you take your original reference from? The live sound? The mixing desk? The recorded media? And then where do you take your playback reference from? The DAC output (if involved)? Amp output? Speaker output? Inside the brain?
Ultimately the sound reaches our emotional receptors (if that's what they are called), and fidelity will be judged there. Any measurements taken will have to be filtered and analysed, again decisions are made as to what is relevant. Not only is our measured hearing different from person to person, but the "weighting" given to every aspect is different. And please don't try to tell me that measurements are objective and invariable; they are no such thing.
I don't know about you, but I cannot experience measurements, so they do not contain fidelity, they just give clues.
Accurate measurement is not fidelity.
IMO.
My current wife (the only one; I call her that to keep her on her toes! 😀) would be happy with that. We both make or modify stuff, clothes in her case, almost everything in mine. We would both rather create/modify/save/repair than buy new. Although we can force ourselves to do that if we must. 😉
I am with DF96. Fidelity and pleasing can be different. Now at least in speaker testing people have been shown to prefer lower distortion, so there is evidence that higher fidelity is better. However outside the lab there are enough people loving things that are not faithful to the source to suggest humans are a fickle bunch.
Now of course the source may not be high fidelity, but that is up to the artist. Replay however IMO should be. But its a hobby and no one gets hurt so I wont argue with anyone's preference as long as its just that.
I am upset at the moment. I have changed cars. The old one was only 16 years old and 280000 miles but needed a clutch. Some cars I have changed clutch on but this one is a biatch and the parts alone £500. So for about the same cost as getting a garage to do it got a car with 1/3 the mileage. I still feel bad about it tho.
Now of course the source may not be high fidelity, but that is up to the artist. Replay however IMO should be. But its a hobby and no one gets hurt so I wont argue with anyone's preference as long as its just that.
I am upset at the moment. I have changed cars. The old one was only 16 years old and 280000 miles but needed a clutch. Some cars I have changed clutch on but this one is a biatch and the parts alone £500. So for about the same cost as getting a garage to do it got a car with 1/3 the mileage. I still feel bad about it tho.
The problem of most men is that they do not understand women, but there's nothing to understand.
I adore women, even consider myself a feminist, but would love to bang each and everyone in the most perverted way.
Most women want to be told, the answer, not the long boring story.
In return, they want guys to listen to their stories, which lack an answer.
You know, the Yin and the Yang, the Bong and the Blintz, a Schmoke and a Pancake.
Huehue. We work differently.
I like new things, but I'm not like the other women. (or, girl? I'm.. Only 15, really.)
My mom still bitches about why a subwoofer has to be so big, and why an amplifier from Ebay that you buy for 10 bucks isn't the same as my 500 dollar Devine Class AB amplifier. "It makes sound isn't that all you need?".. No mom. No. That's not how it works.
Live sound. I realise that this means that hi-fi is impossible for music which has been messed about with in the studio, or never actually existed as live sound. My guess is that most audiophiles mostly listen to such music, so for them hi-fi is irrelevant. This is why they opt instead for a sound which pleases them. Most of my music started as actual sounds in the air, ideally in a concert hall, so hi-fi has meaning for me.awkwardbydesign said:
No. The test is not 'do I like it' or 'does it please/thrill/impress me/my friends' but simply 'does it sound like an ensemble/orchestra etc.'. You need to look up the meaning of fidelity; it means faithful i.e. it does not mean 'does my wife please me' but 'does my wife not please anyone else!'.
Of course. It is careful listening tests which tell us which measurements are relevant.
Of course, that is why the usual criteria for hi-fi are intended to satisfy almost everyone. They go beyond what most people need for sound reproduction, in order to exclude very few people. Sadly, those people who don't like hi-fi almost always fondly imagine that they are in the tail of the distribution (with those people who need better than the normal hi-fi requirements) when in fact they almost always do not require reproduction at all but prefer something different which is actually easier to achieve than hi-fi.
I will try to tell you that genuine measurements are objective and repeatable, but you probably won't listen. If I measure the frequency response of an amplifier then do it again a few days later I would expect to get something very close to the same result. If someone else does the same measurement then he should get a similar result too - even if he uses different equipment to do the measuring, thus confirming that the frequency response of an amplifier is an objective property of the amplifier (making allowance for known issues such as source and load impedance etc.).
Why not respond to what I said, rather than what I didn't say? We know that certain measurements need to be good enough in order to provide hi-fi sound reproduction. Given this, careful listening tests usually show that people cannot distinguish between several different implementations of hi-fi (when peeking is not allowed). On the other hand, in order to please them some people seem to require something which falls significantly short of hi-fi standards.
So, some people want hi-fi and will be happy with the sound produced by any such system - they choose their own system on some other basis.
Others want less than this and they have a wide choice - there are a lot more ways to fail to reproduce sound than to reproduce it. They may pay less than hi-fi; some are happy to pay much more than hi-fi. They all choose whatever pleases them.
Just a very few need more than the usual hi-fi, but we don't really know who they are because whenever a proper test is done it turns out that they are not in this category after all.
Sufficiently accurate measurement is necessary for hi-fi. Not for other types of audio, where in some cases accurate measurement is despised - perhaps it exposes too much? If someone prefers 5% distortion to 0.5% distortion then this tells us more about their sound preferences than it does about the value of measurement.
Hi sorry I meant no offense, honestly I didn't think girls looked at this forum lol. There is always exceptions to the rule and you just very well may prove that.
Keep on annoying mom with loud music 😉 I know I did at age 15!
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