Generally speaking, silver tends to exhibit "tinkly " and clean sounding highs, while being a bit thin and anemic in the lower mid registers and bass region.
Those silver cables will marry well with some Beats by Dre cans

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The response of one who lacks preconceived notions and prejudices would be along the lines of 'talk to me about those that you've noticed, I'm curious...' not denial. Denial is just too easy.😀
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He has at least the prejudice that he hasn't any 😀
Behringer got its start by outright thievery of Mackie designs. So it really is a shame.
Even if I never used, nor even never saw any copies of Mackie designs? 😀
Come on, Bear did not mean "thievery", he meant "poor sound quality". 🙂
Now you know. You buy their gear you are funding thieves, crooks and scallywags 😉Even if I never used, nor even never saw any copies of Mackie designs? 😀
Come on, Bear did not mean "thievery", he meant "poor sound quality". 🙂
Still has zero to do with the validity of Wavebourn using them. Can you see anything that is a copy of someone elses products?
Start readin' https://www.google.com/webhp?source...=1&espv=2&ie=UTF-8#q=mackie behringer lawsuitStill has zero to do with the validity of Wavebourn using them. Can you see anything that is a copy of someone elses products?
Well first link shows the lawsuit was settled out of court with no proof of culpability. And as I doubt Wavebourn has a mixing desk in his system not at at valid to the discussion in point.
Those silver cables will marry well with some Beats by Dre cans![]()
Ur not too far away.
I can demonstrate.
So, do tell, what is your system?
Just so that we all have our cards on the table, and a common point of reference.
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Like "It is a shame to use Behringer EQ and reverb" 😉
Anatoily, I know your first language is Russian, but I think you know that what you said above is NOT my words.
Unless I saw it wrong, ur running quite a few Behringer boxes?
Kinda obviates a whole lot... "
THAT is what I actually posted.
Please do not misquote me.
And if you asked my opinion about the quality of Behringer boxes, I would give it. You may infer from my comment that I feel that they may be less than stellar in all regards.
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The response of one who lacks preconceived notions and prejudices would be along the lines of 'talk to me about those that you've noticed, I'm curious...' not denial. Denial is just too easy.😀
Don't care what "you" think you have noticed. ("you" being anyone)
[Btw, feel free to PM or email me, if you wish, I am curious as to the perceptions of others... but that belongs in a
private discussion, imo]
Ca ne fait rien!
That's irrelevant. That's what you think about something you only know very little about.
As far as I am concerned, if I am shown to be wrong, I'm 100% fine with it. In fact, I LIKE that. Most people do not feel that way.
I may take a position that I feel is "well formed" and do so strongly, but only to the extent that some other position can be shown to be more well formed and able to prevail. But that is mostly to test the other position... and not in all cases do I do that.
IF I am shown that my position is wrong, then I've improved, and maybe learned something new. I'm not stagnant in that case. I've moved forward.
SO, for example, IF Jan or Scott or anyone else happened to visit here and found that I was making an error and that changed ALL of my observations and beliefs, to me that would be GOOD.
If I go to someones house and the sound is fantastic, I want to KNOW why and what they did right - even if it means that I find that I've done things not as well, or wrong.
So, no, I'm not prejudiced if that is anything like the way those are who are "certain" that they are right and are in possession of the "truth" - and/or that all others are fools, ignoramuses, charlatans, or worse.
Perhaps this explains something. Dunno.
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As far as I am concerned, if I am shown to be wrong, I'm 100% fine with it. In fact, I LIKE that. Most people do not feel that way.
Don't worry, that (you shown to be wrong) will never happen. It's mathematically an hypothesis of zero probability.
A contrast to Mr. Burwen https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PbqjoPDpGyw
An enjoyable interview (Mr. Scheps sharing in the fun he has with nerding out on gear and his job in general) and refreshing perspective.
For those that didn't listen, he emphasizes the importance of what comes out the speakers, regardless the method to get there (analog vs. digital), and that whatever work flow that gets you there is plenty valid. He presently prefers digital workflows because of the near-infinite flexibility it provides, and portability in a modern work environment. (But he still loves playing around with his extensive all-analog mixing console and all the history of the gear within)
Don't worry, that (you shown to be wrong) will never happen. It's mathematically an hypothesis of zero probability.
Yeah, well personal attacks really raise your credibility.
I called for scientific and objective tests - I do not recall you volunteering to participate, despite your apparent and regular assertion of superior knowledge, training and expertise.
Sounds like you are insecure?
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Yeah, well personal attacks really raise your credibility.
Whaaaaat? How was this a personal attack? Talking about insecurities... 😀
You simply can't be proven wrong (or right, for that matter) since there is no agreed method of determining what's right or wrong.
Arguing pro domo, being vocal and expecting the other part to give up is not a method and doesn't provide a valid answer.
Shucks...you guys! Power without control...
In my completely non expert opinion, op amps.....
Well there is nothing wrong with them, only in their use/abuse.
Case in point:
I have built a few active filters based upon Sallen Key design, albeit with my own arbitrarily defined Q and Fc.
Nothing about them sounds bad, I can detect no flaws now I have designed properly.
At the outset, flaws were abound.
In my latest new effort to make the simplest possible composite power amplifier, I have also had similar successes and failures, with both monolithic and discrete.
It is these failures that have taught me (and probably many others in the own lifetimes) what these devices are capable of, and what the limitations are.
Imagine if you will indulge me:
LF353 op amp, directly coupled to PP discrete output stage, biased simply, with a single diode at each Base (TIP41/42). NFB from output returned to the inverting op amp input, using appropriate Rf and Rg for Av of 10-11.
Supplies limited to +/- 15V...
What could possibly go wrong?
😀
Besides running out of current to drive the bases?
Resultant limitation to max V swing.
Measly 3 W before the onset of clipping.
Jeez at first, I didn't even thermally couple the diodes...why does 3 watts seem.more like 20 watts of thermal runaway?
Hahahah. It's all a learning curve. I revel in my mistakes. I welcome the next funk up. Do I need some more scrapbook calcs? Definitely. Iterative work only gets me so far. Next to work out why I couldn't iteratively get RC coupling to work. Needs some maths lol. Then a driver stage to drive the bases better and load the LF353 less, probably BC441 haha. (Parts bin cheapskate build)
But for 3 watts and less than 10 components....it sounds great. I'd still like to have the ability to measure THD so I could see how much my ears and brain ignore.
Expectation bias? Maybe. Probably. But I had fun.
Life is diversity. People work differently. Each has their merit.
But more than a century of knowledge cannot be ignored, and often theory can override common sense when weighing up comparative impact of design compromises, semantics ensue, noone is really incorrect and flames spread.
I've been away from here for a while and I'm saddened to see the folks I respect the most argue the toss, and neither you nor I gain a sod from it all.
So please guys, when you get mad, just think of my poxy parts bin lunch time amplifier, laugh out loud, take the proverbial out of me, and get along.
Better yet, simulate my naff design and prover to me how naff it is, and THEN laugh 😀
I love all you nerds, you're like me, except you know better.
In my completely non expert opinion, op amps.....
Well there is nothing wrong with them, only in their use/abuse.
Case in point:
I have built a few active filters based upon Sallen Key design, albeit with my own arbitrarily defined Q and Fc.
Nothing about them sounds bad, I can detect no flaws now I have designed properly.
At the outset, flaws were abound.
In my latest new effort to make the simplest possible composite power amplifier, I have also had similar successes and failures, with both monolithic and discrete.
It is these failures that have taught me (and probably many others in the own lifetimes) what these devices are capable of, and what the limitations are.
Imagine if you will indulge me:
LF353 op amp, directly coupled to PP discrete output stage, biased simply, with a single diode at each Base (TIP41/42). NFB from output returned to the inverting op amp input, using appropriate Rf and Rg for Av of 10-11.
Supplies limited to +/- 15V...
What could possibly go wrong?
😀
Besides running out of current to drive the bases?
Resultant limitation to max V swing.
Measly 3 W before the onset of clipping.
Jeez at first, I didn't even thermally couple the diodes...why does 3 watts seem.more like 20 watts of thermal runaway?
Hahahah. It's all a learning curve. I revel in my mistakes. I welcome the next funk up. Do I need some more scrapbook calcs? Definitely. Iterative work only gets me so far. Next to work out why I couldn't iteratively get RC coupling to work. Needs some maths lol. Then a driver stage to drive the bases better and load the LF353 less, probably BC441 haha. (Parts bin cheapskate build)
But for 3 watts and less than 10 components....it sounds great. I'd still like to have the ability to measure THD so I could see how much my ears and brain ignore.
Expectation bias? Maybe. Probably. But I had fun.
Life is diversity. People work differently. Each has their merit.
But more than a century of knowledge cannot be ignored, and often theory can override common sense when weighing up comparative impact of design compromises, semantics ensue, noone is really incorrect and flames spread.
I've been away from here for a while and I'm saddened to see the folks I respect the most argue the toss, and neither you nor I gain a sod from it all.
So please guys, when you get mad, just think of my poxy parts bin lunch time amplifier, laugh out loud, take the proverbial out of me, and get along.
Better yet, simulate my naff design and prover to me how naff it is, and THEN laugh 😀
I love all you nerds, you're like me, except you know better.
So, do tell, what is your system?
Just so that we all have our cards on the table, and a common point of reference.
Nothing fancy, most will scoff but it suits me fine.
I mainly listen to ripped CD's that are .flac files or stream via Spotify. My computer is old but works fine for me, it has a decent soundcard:
http://www.analog.com/media/en/technical-documentation/data-sheets/ad1884a.pdf
My turntable isn't anything fancy either. Denon DP-300F w/ a 2M Red cart.
My main speakers are Klipsch La Scala's and I usually run either my home brew tube amps of various topologies. I got triode strapped sweep tubes single ended, a nice Tubelab SE board w/ 45's in it. Mullard 5-20 style push pull but with less open loop gain and overall less feedback. For SS I have a Slewmaster CFA I made that I usually use that to power my Klipsch RB-81 II's. If I am feeling frisky or having a party I supplement La Scala's with a subwoofer, two 15's powered by a Peavey 2U rackmount two channel PA amplifier.
Eh?
My stories of me and my buddies making copies? When was that?
Bear, on what basis do conjecture that no matter how much care is taken a digital transfer of a master tape will not fool anyone?
EDIT - your words - "Doubtful that anyone would confuse the two".
The basis? Having done it? Having been present when others were trying to do it so that there was no difference? Having been friends with a recording engineer for a (now defunct) highly regarded classical label... stuff like that.
Sorry they might not have been your buddies, just others then.
Because we are at it, I just finished an op amp evaluation.
This LMH6702 has at Av=+2 a bandwidth of 1.4GHz (rise time is 250pS) and a slew rate of about 3000V/uS. Fast enough for audio? 😕 Will it sound good? 😕
A little bit anaemic, good treble but the bass does not live up to my expectations.
We use them for clock distributions because of their good phase noise floor.
By the pound. I prefer the sot-23. For distortion, the cap directly from VCC to
Vee is important. More than those to gnd.
regards, Gerhard
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A little bit anaemic, good treble but the bass does not live up to my expectations.
We use them for clock distributions because of their good phase noise floor.
By the pound. I prefer the sot-23. For distortion, the cap directly from VCC to
Vee is important. More than those to gnd.
Been there, done that. More caps are on the board back side, including Vcc to Vee. Not my call for SOT23 vs. SO8. Those 6 layers eval boards are expensive, almost x10 the cost of the chip.
I agree, it sounds a little thin in mid bass, also I've noted some sibilance on high pitched female voices. Good for punk rock, Nina Hagen sounds great, fails short for opera.
I guess I have to check the OPA695, perhaps it will improve the sound 😉.
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