Jacco, it is really a matter of having the actual knowledge of audio design, and ability to measure audio (in general) that I question about so many who are SURE that Jack Bybee is a fraud. That includes SY. He never opened one up and ran a detailed analysis. Even the Germans, who did open one up (different version from what SY looked at) missed the most important component (the conductive ceramic form) when they just broke one open. Before you criticize, just make sure of what you are criticizing.
Always willing to help the logically challenged. I'll take it as thanks also for pointing out the second fallacy.Nice example, thanks.
A further comment concerning physical laws and the factualizing of science into dogma. Facts are created out of emotionally based human frailty, that sits unrealized in the human mind.
The dangers of facts, the dangers of 'laws' of physics and how they ruin human exploration and kill the future into a dead downward inward terminated spiral. How anyone who screams about the laws of physics being violated by a new thing or new proposal... MUST be curb stomped by science... or their ranting about violation... is meat - in the act of murdering humanity's future.
Science has nothing to do with laws or factualizing, it is about bridging what you individually understand...into a new view about a new future. Change is life, "laws of physics" lead only to a static unchanging death; a happy monkey mentally masturbating today - the same way they did yesterday. Nothing more.
Making fun of what you don't know and don't understand is like some sort of group meeting about looking to produce strange fruit and hang it from the poplar trees... some sort of ill educated backward looking barely covered violence toward the unknown, a KKK of a misanthropic sick and shadowed caricature mirror of real science....one that wants to go on a witch hunt.
I maintain that Truth is a pathless land, and you cannot approach it by any path whatsoever, by any religion, by any sect. That is my point of view, and I adhere to that absolutely and unconditionally. Truth, being limitless, unconditioned, unapproachable by any path whatsoever, cannot be organized; nor should any organization be formed to lead or to coerce people along any particular path. If you first understand that, then you will see how impossible it is to organize a belief. A belief is purely an individual matter, and you cannot and must not organize it. If you do, it becomes dead, crystallized; it becomes a creed, a sect, a religion, to be imposed on others. This is what everyone throughout the world is attempting to do. Truth is narrowed down and made a plaything for those who are weak, for those who are only momentarily discontented. Truth cannot be brought down, rather the individual must make the effort to ascend to it. You cannot bring the mountain-top to the valley. If you would attain to the mountain-top you must pass through the valley, climb the steeps, unafraid of the dangerous precipices.
--Jiddu Krishnamurti
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"Extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence." - Carl Sagan. Sometimes the claims aren't extraordinary. Sometimes the weakness of men's minds are the culprit. Mass mentality has nothing to do with obviousness or truths.
Is this is a parody, or does KBK really believe this mystical, occult stuff?
Sits typing on a PC (tablet, smartphone) connecting through the internet to have real time exchanges with other scattered about the world and scoffs that science can produce facts, dogma or truth...which would of course be impossible to do if it did not.
If this isn't intentionally exaggerated, let me say, "You're fooling yourself."Nonetheless, I do find it interesting when folks tell me they trust their own perceptions. As for me--I trust myself the least out of anyone. There's no person better at fooling myself than, well, myself. At least with other people, I'm able to observe biases, etc., that I'm oblivious to in myself.
Trust me.🙂
Is this is a parody, or does KBK really believe this mystical, occult stuff?
He stands on the shoulders of giants.
The repulsin - a flying saucer by Viktor Schauberger - the Vortex World
He's on hiatus for a while. We've been intermittently in touch. I hope to see him back, full of his usual sharp analyses.
Ah, good!
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He's working on a classified government defence contract, so we can't discuss him anymore. Everyone knows what hes doing, we just can't talk about it.
*sigh* Why am I always the last to know? Can't I get my security clearance upgraded?
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You guys criticize a lot, but you don't have any test equipment, hi fi equipment, etc to speak of. What makes you guys so sure of yourselves? Why do you second guess the opinions of someone like me, or KBK for that matter?
Ha ha ha what a pull down..... You stich me up John.
Jacco, it is really a matter of having the actual knowledge of audio design, and ability to measure audio (in general) that I question about so many who are SURE that Jack Bybee is a fraud. That includes SY. He never opened one up and ran a detailed analysis. Even the Germans, who did open one up (different version from what SY looked at) missed the most important component (the conductive ceramic form) when they just broke one open. Before you criticize, just make sure of what you are criticizing.
Its not that conductive though is it.... so lets apply OHMs law and where the current would flow through a Bybee...
Its also a magical conductive ceramic form, or is that the classified bit. LOL
Sits typing on a PC (tablet, smartphone) connecting through the internet to have real time exchanges with other scattered about the world and scoffs that science can produce facts, dogma or truth...which would of course be impossible to do if it did not.
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Yes maybe CERNs problems could be fixed by a few Bybee's and a few subjective's in command
Don't need to open one up and analyse it John - just ABX test to see if people (real people...) can reliably hear a difference. Hell it could even be tested in a range of circuit locations to address SY's concerns about jello, walls and nails
Of course, this relies on a DBT protocol - something that is anathema to GE's as they invariably end up with avian embryo on their collective visages.
A pity - it could conceivably prove the effectiveness of the device.
Of course, this relies on a DBT protocol - something that is anathema to GE's as they invariably end up with avian embryo on their collective visages.
A pity - it could conceivably prove the effectiveness of the device.
Freud might say this is the kind of implausible personal belief that the ego can post up as defence - we may be able to convince ourselves of such things, for example that only we are skilled enough or equipped enough to know the truth, but fail to convince others of it. This is because such personal perceptions don't necessarily stand external scrutiny, as seems plainly the case here.john curl said:....... it is really a matter of having the actual knowledge of audio design, and ability to measure audio (in general).......you don't have any test equipment, hi fi equipment, etc to speak of........
Seem familiar ? 😉
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Before you criticize, just make sure of what you are criticizing.
Mr. Curl,
I don't believe I have at any moment expressed criticism towards you.
(life of an animal can be hard at times, but I seriously try not to bite the hand that feeds me. I do bite everything else)
I personally find it comforting that I will never be able to afford a system good enough to be able to hear the amazing improvements of a bybee.
Might even get a t-shirt ' JC says 'You have no Hifi equipment to speak of'
Might even get a t-shirt ' JC says 'You have no Hifi equipment to speak of'
Well, do ya ?.I personally find it comforting that I will never be able to afford a system good enough to be able to hear the amazing improvements of a bybee.
Might even get a t-shirt ' JC says 'You have no Hifi equipment to speak of'
Dan.
You might just find that is the anthropological question which motivates the whole sorry fiasco.......Well, do ya ?

Might even get a t-shirt
Mr Shurv,
please put me on the list for a group shag, xxl.
(I'm not too keen on pinko, red, any shade of green, and by no means orange. B&W or blue would be lovely)
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