That St. Ronnie coined oxymoron is one of the SUPIDEST things ever said.
If you trust, you don't need to verify, if you need to verify, you don't trust! Please stop using that ridiculous phrase. OK, rant over, I feel better now. 😀
Mike
You probably had the ferrite the wrong way round so that it added hash and noise rather than removing it !!!!
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I thought that was the point. 🙂
At such a dramatic result the curiosity to make even a cursory measurement?
I trust my $$ remains in my bank account, but I'll verify it when the statement comes. I trust my car will start, but I'll verify it next time I turn the key. I trust the results of my experiment, but I will verify them by repeating the experiment (or someone else repeating it).
Most interesting result . The overtone is what should have been reduced not increased . which ferrite clip-on from what maker . Sound like one to avoid .🙂
I dunno.... semantics I guess....
I will trust the results of the experiment ONLY if I can repeat it. Once it is repeated enough times, I will trust it. Before that, I may hope to get the same results.
I will trust that the car will start if I have experience in repeatedly starting it.
I may have another reason to trust it will start... like the car is new, or the starter was freshly repaired.... Otherwise, I just hope it starts.
My bank statement does not verify anything. I can only verify that $$ remain in the bank if I can successfully withdraw them all. Until then, "I hope that my $$ are still in the bank."
Good topic over a couple drinks.... cheeers!
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Oh, and to come full circle here.... people buy tweeks they've heard about on the internet in the hope that they work. When audio designers support the tweek, the hope is stronger. Maybe even to the level of trust.
Your trust of the hype is verified by your listening experience right?
Actually no.
This trust has biased your listening experience, often just making the listening session an extension of that trust. So you hear a subtle change.
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The ferrite is a pull from a large printer power supply, so no idea what maker/formulation.
Not so much overtones as general signal dependent noise...sort of sounds like IMD.
Dan.
😕 Is there some point to this reply, you have no idea what others have or play with.... I cant understand this post other than to demean the rest of us.
Even if some of such devices could be shown to have placebo effect, I doubt that. Partly because any explanation put forward is in good faith and no doubt believed to be true by those presenting it, and partly because, as reported by some customers, perception can be exactly what it says on the tin. It's a philosophical thing IMO, and very interesting in itself. Just my 2p worth.
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All of the $$ are never in the bank, that's the whole point of the banking business, the ATM is there to provide the illusion that they are.
Which is why some folks have accounts at multiple banks.
(in Dutch, another word for bank is couch)
Life is, indeed, full of illusion........
One philosophical thing I find fascinating in audio surrounds questions like 'Should it matter whether it's placebo to those who perceive a benefit ? Would sudden revelation affect perception, and if so how rapidly, like a light switch?' Such things seem to tug hard at the fabric of our sense of reality. I suspect there might be all manner of coping mechanisms.
Fascinating, I find.......
The same argument was made criticizing the people who expose the fraud of charlatans like John Edward and Sylvia Browne. "They tell people what they want to hear and make them happy."
You can't rationalize away the absolute evil of people who prey on the ignorance of others to make a few bucks.
don't discuss motivation!
it's better to get a rationalization why a "device" made from a sheet of plastic and a thin foil layer can sell for such a large MSRP. maybe theyre made by blind monks on a mountain somewhere far away carried down on their knees one by one..
it's better to get a rationalization why a "device" made from a sheet of plastic and a thin foil layer can sell for such a large MSRP. maybe theyre made by blind monks on a mountain somewhere far away carried down on their knees one by one..
As a blind monk would undoubtedly need both his hands and knees for the descent, which body part(s) will hold (clamp) the 'sheet' ?
One of the great masterpieces of Zen painting.
Three Blind Men Crossing Bridge (17th c.) - a photo on Flickriver
Nice, 9.6 megabyte image, one can count the toes on their feet.
(there does appear to be a sheet sticking out from between their buttocks, but I'm known to experience disillusional/ed episodes)
(there does appear to be a sheet sticking out from between their buttocks, but I'm known to experience disillusional/ed episodes)
The explanations are offered as fact are at best hypotheses. They could be tested but are not. Which defines how "pseudo-science" works to sell to the gullible:
Offer *any* scientific sounding explanation, and people will accept that real science is behind the product.
The "science" is not contested as the purchaser is not an expert and does not understand it. So, they trust that those scientific sounding claims are facts.
The concept of sincerity enters into the picture as trust by the purchaser.
Although I have had experience with someone making a product who was so ill informed, they sincerely believed their own hypotheses were facts.
And here is the rub: Hypothesizing is not doing science. Testing hypotheses is doing science.
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