That's why I never used the best things I have, except speaker. I have hundreds of amplifiers but you know what, I'm using cheap TDA chip amp.
During the last 3 years I have never turned on my best CD player. The most expensive one I have used during this 3 years was not so good. It is the most expensive DVD player Panasonic ever produced, around $1000 if I'm not mistaken. The DAC (parallel DAC) chips are KNOWN to be "average".
Read the list of DAC and their "qualification". You will understand that CD players quality are mostly determined by the DAC chip used...
Then read about DAC technology (e.g from Burr-Brown)...
Then if you realize and understand that DIGITAL can be different, what is wrong when people find out that digital can also be different with ANALOG???
So jJay.
I don't have to read Terry Prachett nightstories for you ?
I am very disappointed with you, sir !
I don't have to read Terry Prachett nightstories for you ?
I am very disappointed with you, sir !
I though it was a reversal of puns, wich would be appropriate because his posts are jokes in reverse: never funny and always unwelcome.
This morning I did a quick audition of this open source player software - cPlay.
The site has lots to say about sytem OS affecting PB sound.
Downside is that CPlay List Editor is required to generate playlists....tracks cannot be dragged and dropped BUT on initial listening on Laptop speakers there is a substantial difference to Foobar SQ and in the positive.
I need to uninstall a truckload of SW from my netbook and then try it in anger.
Food for thought/experimenting.
Dan.
The site has lots to say about sytem OS affecting PB sound.
Downside is that CPlay List Editor is required to generate playlists....tracks cannot be dragged and dropped BUT on initial listening on Laptop speakers there is a substantial difference to Foobar SQ and in the positive.
I need to uninstall a truckload of SW from my netbook and then try it in anger.
Food for thought/experimenting.
Dan.
Okay, this is not about winners and losers, I don't have a desire to allocate an order of merit to what I experimenting with - because, I know at any point in time there will be natural limits to the capabilities of the reproduction chain, and the most obvious ones are bass reproduction and maximum competent SPLs. What I am always after is determining whether the chain is capable of achieving some level of convincing reproduction, and that can be simply expressed as getting to a level where the music I'm hearing is what is making the impact, not how "good" the components are. I lost interest in the latter a long, long time ago - what counts is that the components subjectively "disappear" - so what I'm always keeping my ears tuned to is how close the chain is getting to that point of "not being there".
I recently retired two competent vintage turntables (Kenwood and Dual) in favor of an HD optical disk player. I am currently in the process of cleaning up all the recordings I made from my vinyl. To my ears, the lower noise floor alone outweighs any benefit of playing the vinyl directly without even mentioning the issues of convenience, storage and maintenance. I don't want to be incendiary here but in many cases, even the mp3's resulting from the vinyl sounded better than the playing the original.
not excactly incendiary, but close.
As when I suggested
that hi-end should take the gaming-experience into account.
what unpleasent feeling, that was.
As when I suggested
that hi-end should take the gaming-experience into account.
what unpleasent feeling, that was.
May I suggest some DBTs and measurements, you may find that a lot of the problems are perceived, proper engineering/science based practice recording details is the only way to do this sort of thing... why agonise over possible things that are not there except in your mind.
Can you explain more?
What is the actual suggestion? What are the problems? Those that aren't there except in mind?
Well you and Frank do seem to be going round and round with your replay never seaming to be right, so maybe stepping back and adopting and using some more controlled assessment than relying on our fickle human hearing memory only would help determine the real problems from the perceived.
Your guessing. Why would it take more power, is there more friction? More mass dosnt mean more losses.
Right because a voice has no directionality. That's like saying: if you turn one of your speakers 180 degrees and reverse it's polarity it should sound identical to the speaker facing you. There's a big hole in that logic.
Who's going round and round??? Think about it clearly.
I'm not doing any troubleshooting here. I'm not trying to assess anything.
Can you suggest what I am trying to do and suggest how I should go about it?? Just from your interpretation of what is going on... Then may be we can all understand what is right and what is wrong...
But first, I have a story... There are smart people, there are stupid people who know they are stupid and there are stupid people who do not realize that they are stupid. The last group cannot understand if there exist people who are smarter than they are. They think, if they cannot do something then there must be no one that can do it. Sound familiar?
Same thing happens in audio world where people have different hearing. And like smartness, hearing acuity can be measured. And you can see deaf people who cannot accept if other people can hear what they cannot. Exactly the same with people with below average intelligence who cannot understand what smarter people can think or do.
What is the point of above story? Point is: if you are one of those close minded people, then there is no point trying to understand. I know that you are not below average in intelligence but I don't know about your hearing acuity, so you can assess yourself.
Have you heard JLH amplifier and LM3886 amplifier? Can you hear any difference? (I expect you can because it is so obvious). If you say you hear difference between JLH and 3886, should I suggest you to step back and measure the THD, damping factor, IMD, bandwidth, stability, etc.? Of course not!
You want to know why audio players can sound different? I have already helped people by explaining the reason. You can't buy that? Fine, should I suggest how you should create the test scenario? YES! Step back and you create the test and I will be the "device under test". Fair?
Yet, after some quick checking I have confirmed that I am correct. In order for applications to be able to obtain "exclusive access" to the audio hardware one must ensure:
"In Windows under WASAPI, that "Allow applications to take exclusive control of this device" is enabled in the Advanced tab of the device's Properties dialog."
This is listed as one of the first steps (or a prerequisite) in basically any guide you might refer to while researching how to obtain bit-perfect playback on a Windows PC, regardless of what player you are using, unless that guide includes instructions on using ASIO drivers.
How to do it, exactly:
1. Open the Sound control panel in Windows
2. Select your device and click Properties.
3. Switch to the Advanced tab.
4. Ensure that "Allow applications to take exclusive control of this device" and "Give exclusive mode applications priority" are both enabled.
Benefits and Considerations:
Exclusive Access provides a number of sound quality and ease-of-use advantages, including:
- It can play files of any sample rate natively, as long as your audio device supports the given sample rate. In Exclusive Mode it does not matter what Default Format is selected in the audio device's properties dialog on Windows. The player software can "take control" and play any file supported natively by the audio device without resampling.
- It can use your audio device's best supported bitdepth (which it does automatically).
- It allows you to effectively use the Maximize device volume during playback feature to bypass your device's volume control
- It provides a much lower latency and hardware direct method for accessing and controlling the audio device.
1. Open the Sound control panel in Windows
2. Select your device and click Properties.
3. Switch to the Advanced tab.
4. Ensure that "Allow applications to take exclusive control of this device" and "Give exclusive mode applications priority" are both enabled.
Benefits and Considerations:
Exclusive Access provides a number of sound quality and ease-of-use advantages, including:
- It can play files of any sample rate natively, as long as your audio device supports the given sample rate. In Exclusive Mode it does not matter what Default Format is selected in the audio device's properties dialog on Windows. The player software can "take control" and play any file supported natively by the audio device without resampling.
- It can use your audio device's best supported bitdepth (which it does automatically).
- It allows you to effectively use the Maximize device volume during playback feature to bypass your device's volume control
- It provides a much lower latency and hardware direct method for accessing and controlling the audio device.
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