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Fair point. I have never played with gear that tries cute tricks, to "make it sound better". Like SET, 😛. I only use boring, conventional technology - but make it work, proper-like ... 😉

SET comment is a fair comment, however, I still prefer vinyl over digital, even though it too measures 2nd best to today's DACs.
I doubt very much that I have magic ears to hear switching distortion in ab amps; but I still prefer SET over push pull tubes as well.
At today's prices and this far along in life, I see no reason to not indulge in pleasing flavours.
And this current system IS coloured for sure- almost every cd or lp comes out sounding like a living room sized concert; I know they can't all have been mastered to sound this way, but I like it.
 
SET comment is a fair comment, however, I still prefer vinyl over digital, even though it too measures 2nd best to today's DACs.
I doubt very much that I have magic ears to hear switching distortion in ab amps; but I still prefer SET over push pull tubes as well.
At today's prices and this far along in life, I see no reason to not indulge in pleasing flavours.
And this current system IS coloured for sure- almost every cd or lp comes out sounding like a living room sized concert; I know they can't all have been mastered to sound this way, but I like it.
Yes, and I am saying that with the best of todays coverters you could faithfully reproduce that distortion you have come to enjoy through an ADDA conversion.
 
Yes, and I am saying that with the best of todays coverters you could faithfully reproduce that distortion you have come to enjoy through an ADDA conversion.

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Are saying a form of digital eq?
Because I think most of the colourizing here comes from having a huge rear port in an unstuffed Helmholtz resonator/ quarterwave transmission line/ near dipole radiating neo10/neo3 pairing.
I have no way of measuring the output of the tascam cdr sl900 , or the little Teradak I use; both sound more natural to me than the NAD's , Arcams, Rotels, Denons, MSBs,Sonys, and EADs I've used in the past.
It also doesn't bug me my current playback sources cost far far less than past choices.
 
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3. This room thing always get me, 😕 - when a system works well then the playback just sounds "right", no matter what the room is like, or where you happen to be listening at the moment. If it doesn't sound "right" then the problem is always within the system - plunk the speakers down in some convenient place, and away you go is my approach ...

I have to respectfully disagree, Frank- I still maintain the system plays the speakers, and the speakers play the room.
When A&B Sound still had a "high end" division, I was intrigued by how good the first version of the Dynaudio Evidence speakers sounded in front of Moon electronics.
It was very educational hearing the improvements brought by some kind of squishy but not rubber (they didn't bounce when dropped on a table) balls placed under the CD players feet.
The product reps favourite line to the sales staff, while sweating speaker placement, was " not yet- there's more there yet", and he was right.
After 1/2 an hour, I think they hit diminishing returns, but when I came back from buying some Micky Hart discs,maybe after another 1/2 hour, they seemed happy enough, and borrowed my Planet Drum copy.
At their planned seating distance , this was much better than the original speaker placement.
I did collect a why are you so stupid, Mitchell? look, when I couldn't hear the difference between the 12 gauge lamp cord they used while moving the giants around, and the monocrystal anaconda-thick $$$ cables they plugged in after settling on placement, though.
Out of curiosity, have you optimized a system, and then plunked it down in a different room, to compare results?😕
 
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Reminds me of a wise observation by Ben Franklin: "Any fool can criticize, condemn, and complain, and most fools do."

I stand emphatically by my previous statement, and have just made an addition to my ignore list.

I have good reasons to at least put "some" stock in what John Curl says, he has produced great amps, then sold out. J Gordon funny guy, oh heck no!!! I really thought this man was joking, jokes on me rofl (-:
 
Cool.
Are saying a form of digital eq?
Because I think most of the colourizing here comes from having a huge rear port in an unstuffed Helmholtz resonator/ quarterwave transmission line/ near dipole radiating neo10/neo3 pairing.
I have no way of measuring the output of the tascam cdr sl900 , or the little Teradak I use; both sound more natural to me than the NAD's , Arcams, Rotels, Denons, MSBs,Sonys, and EADs I've used in the past.
It also doesn't bug me my current playback sources cost far far less than past choices.

Yes ! most emphatically . The hest of todays dsp and cheap da conversexceedor meet thebest of alalog of any era, EQs from sonalksis are a good example. the dsp in jriver wonderful! Schiitconverters perfect,smooth, lovely.
 
I think the "magic number" for DA conversion (chips) is about 114 db or higher, you see that and above you can be fairly assured of low jitter. Schiit Audio is using AKM 4396 in the $100 Modi and $150 Loki (dsd!) I have the modi, it stands up to my Lavry units and others in the feild.
 
It was very educational hearing the improvements brought by some kind of squishy but not rubber (they didn't bounce when dropped on a table) balls placed under the CD players feet.
Viscoelastic material - it changes shape easily, then slowly recovers its original shape when allowed to. This is vibration damping, and just about everything in audio behaves better if you stop it rattling, which occurs because of the sound energy from the speakers and vibrations generated internally in components, say, the mechanical, moving parts in a CD player.
At their planned seating distance , this was much better than the original speaker placement.
I did collect a why are you so stupid, Mitchell? look, when I couldn't hear the difference between the 12 gauge lamp cord they used while moving the giants around, and the monocrystal anaconda-thick $$$ cables they plugged in after settling on placement, though.
Out of curiosity, have you optimized a system, and then plunked it down in a different room, to compare results?😕
Listening to systems in a conventional state of tune this will work, because the "trick" being done is to "hide" the impact of distortion artifacts as much as possible; fine placement emphasises the direct sound, stops the mind noticing all the little problems in the sound, and allows you to concentrate more easily on the music. This has never been my approach. because it would irritate me intensely when I get up and move around, to then hear the obvious defects in the sound - the only method that appeals to me is to clean up the sound emerging from the speakers to the point that they never draw attention to themselves - the "invisible" speakers thing.

No, I have never tried plunking an optimised setup in a different room - the things I'm listening for would not have changed; in essence, a particular recording should always sound the same; except, that some qualities in it will improve if the standard of the component parts is higher, or a major improvement in optimising is made. There have been many instances where the raw higher quality of components used in other systems than my own makes a recording I'm familar with sound significantly better in some aspect - but what I'm interested in is the total package: can this other system then also deal with "poor" recordings? Usually, they can't ...
 
I think the "magic number" for DA conversion (chips) is about 114 db or higher, you see that and above you can be fairly assured of low jitter. Schiit Audio is using AKM 4396 in the $100 Modi and $150 Loki (dsd!) I have the modi, it stands up to my Lavry units and others in the feild.
The numbers in themselves don't guarantee subjective results - my wife has always been keen on electronic keyboards, and we have a very nice 76 key Yamaha unit here, well over 20 years old. It has been sitting dormant for quite some time, but she just became enthused again, over the last couple of days. The sound quality of that comes down to the internal D/A, amps, and speakers - but from new it also had the classic conditioning problem: on switch-on everything's there, but it has a flat, somewhat uninteresting quality, the "sparkle" is missing. The solution was then, to power it up and just leave it in continuous auto play mode. It tooks hours and hours, even days, but finally the sound snapped together, it had real verve and life to it. And now, 20 years later, still exactly the same behaviour; the electronics need a very extended warmup for the sound quality to lift up to where one gets 'musicality', so to speak ...
 
^ Frank, so it is OK to be nuts in Oz? 'cause I am sort of nation shopping, wasn't sure of my entry when Alzheimers finally kicks in, as Alzheimers also has a warm up / break in period. Seriously I have seen some older OpAmps that go intermittant then pop in from the 80s. Cold spray will find them. Before I stsrted building my own, I used Yamaha boards exclusivly. The first one a Dx5 (big dx7) the last a first gen motif.
 
^ Frank, so it is OK to be nuts in Oz? 'cause I am sort of nation shopping, wasn't sure of my entry when Alzheimers finally kicks in, as Alzheimers also has a warm up / break in period.
We do plenty of nuts down here: our very own King of the Nuts, the Macadamia; we have a Peanut State, the head of which at one time had a tilt at the Big Job in our capital, but failed - (phew, wipes brow in relief ...) 😀.

As regards the Yamaha, this is a subtle thing, that most people would be oblivious of - for some people to get a handle on it, from cold it has sterile SS sound, then slowly, steadily it builds up a tube sound, a quality of lushness or fullness comes in - that DDR I mentioned earlier gets stronger and stronger. Whether that's the D/A, the amps, or the speakers I can't say - probably a combination of all. The headache is that after extended switch-off, like overnight, you have to go through the whole ritual again; so, in earlier days it was left running 24/7 ...
 
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cold it has sterile SS sound, then slowly, steadily it builds up a tube sound, a quality of lushness or fullness comes in - that DDR I mentioned earlier gets stronger and stronger. Whether that's the D/A, the amps, or the speakers I can't say - probably a combination of all. The headache is that after extended switch-off, like overnight, you have to go through the whole ritual again; so, in earlier days it was left running 24/7 ...[/QUOTE]

No, Frank, no I was just joking about nuts, I did not mean you are *actually nuts*, like believing in gloobee devices or " cable burn in" or "capacitor burn in" or "opamp burn in" like "building up a tube sound over time" or "Halle Berry is a man" or "my grandmother was an Army Jeep" (unless you are talking about old analog moogy stuff, which changed continually)
 
The numbers in themselves don't guarantee subjective results - .
No, due to sanity not being a universal trait, you are entirely correct, they do not. However, that being said, unless you really try to find and place a true piece of crap opamp behind an AKM 439x on up then power that with a Briggs and Stratton USB port which is then filtered by Mother Jones banana peel and recycled tinfoil caps and a "go green for starving Poopalanians in Poopalania" sticker slapped on somewhere, you are virtually assured of a wonderful sounding piece of gear
 
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Cool.
Are saying a form of digital eq?
Because I think most of the colourizing here comes from having a huge rear port in an unstuffed Helmholtz resonator/ quarterwave transmission line/ near dipole radiating neo10/neo3 pairing.
I have no way of measuring the output of the tascam cdr sl900 , or the little Teradak I use; both sound more natural to me than the NAD's , Arcams, Rotels, Denons, MSBs,Sonys, and EADs I've used in the past.
It also doesn't bug me my current playback sources cost far far less than past choices.

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No, Frank, no I was just joking about nuts, I did not mean you are *actually nuts*, like believing in gloobee devices or " cable burn in" or "capacitor burn in" or "opamp burn in" like "building up a tube sound over time" or "Halle Berry is a man" or "my grandmother was an Army Jeep" (unless you are talking about old analog moogy stuff, which changed continually)
The reality is that all electronic kit changes all the time, depending upon a million things; it can't not do so, since it's made of physical materials, which are sensitive to their environment, and history. The real question is, what changes are audible, which then brings in how sensitive people's hearing is ...
 
And to top it all off, they are doing DSD playback natively, while Schiit audio is selling a DSD Dac with AKM native DSD support AKM4396, the Schiit Loki, Schiit Audio, Headphone amps and DACs made in USA. asynchronous USB DAC with a pass through switch mind you, for the sum of $150!!!!!! Then, for those of you who want an analog volume to keep that last bit they have this for $49!!! All made in USA with quality we usually don't produce here anymore Schiit Audio, Headphone amps and DACs made in USA.. And here is the aforementioned 99 Modi DAC I have one, tremendous Schiit Audio, Headphone amps and DACs made in USA.
Don't let "Made In America" post the new, new deal fool you, these feel like little tanks and the circuitry is first rate.
 
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