Audio related site, does not count, I am referring to RS, Farnell, Digikey etc.
I think your needle is stuck in a groove here, or is this some mantra.
Apply some thought to my comments and give a coherent answer, we may then be able to discuss this, repeating the same phrase numerous times is a worrying trait.
LOL, I have noticed a lack of magic at theses places, seems most components adhere to physics from this universe, and have links to a strange document called a "data sheet",
I presume this document contains a magical chant that will remove any stray Maxwell demons from your circuitry when read aloud.
I presume this document contains a magical chant that will remove any stray Maxwell demons from your circuitry when read aloud.
Thanks, brianco, nice link.
What wonders me is how long will it take until certain individuals who post here and could be identified or the owner of the 'diyaudio.com' get sued for defamation or causing loss of sales or something similar.
We're not in Hyde Park and this isn't Speakers Corner...
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No this is an open forum where we debate these things.
How could we get sued for defamation or loss of sales, get a grip, the scam would be exposed in court. And threats of being sued have already been directed towards one member of the site, he was not a happy bunny about it.
Exposing a scam should be rewarded.
Of course as we disagree with you beliefs in magic, we are asked to not comment, go join one of the more tolerant DIY Audio sites where such as us are not allowed to disturb the magical aura with mentions of physics.
Do you actually have any relevant comments to the discussion.
How could we get sued for defamation or loss of sales, get a grip, the scam would be exposed in court. And threats of being sued have already been directed towards one member of the site, he was not a happy bunny about it.
Exposing a scam should be rewarded.
Of course as we disagree with you beliefs in magic, we are asked to not comment, go join one of the more tolerant DIY Audio sites where such as us are not allowed to disturb the magical aura with mentions of physics.
Do you actually have any relevant comments to the discussion.
Your reasoning, like any other reasoning, isn't a scientific proof.
Your reasoning doesn't take into account the possibility of another physical phenomenon, or phenomena, are working here.
Furthermore, if I remember correctly, your reasoning is based on the 'marketing explanation' about the device. The marketing explanation may not be in full accord with the actual physical mechanisms at work.
A saying like "1. To the best of my understanding and knowledge, the device cannot perform as proclaimed, hence it is a fraud" is different from a saying like "2. To the best of my understanding and knowledge, the device cannot perform as proclaimed".
A man of intellectual integrity would come up with something closer to the second statement. The first statement is unproved opinion. Failing to understand how a certain device may work isn't a scientific proof that the said device is a fraud.
Which is what I'm saying here all along. You people are blinded by your belief system, blinded in a way that disables you from making the distinction between mental conclusions and scientific proof.
Now, you know, or should know, that I respect you very much as a human being. However my respect to you doesn't mean that I accept each and every conclusion of yours as a true representation of the facts of the matter. Not all conclusions are true representations of the facts of the matter, not always, not necessarily. Often scientific conclusions coincide with scientific facts, but not necessarily always.
I don't know whether the Bybee devices work as proclaimed, or not. I have no opinion on the matter. My only observation, concerning this issue, is that so far, no real scientific proof was presented to prove that those devices are fraud. Nothing more, nothing less.
What I do know is that empirically I encountered phenomena that, to the best of knowledge, there is no valid scientific explanation for the way those phenomena work. The common scientific reasoning says that those phenomena are impossible. Yet, those phenomena are here, despite the scientific reasoning. Which is why I'm not impressed by scientific reasoning and why I make the distinction between scientific reasoning and scientific proof. The two aren't the same thing.
The Bybee devices may be fraud, and they may work as proclaimed. The truth of the matter is yet to examined and proved scientifically. Before there is such a proof, either way, all we have is personal conclusions, which are different from a scientific proof.
As for the Bybee devices.
Again, I don't know, however I have a clue, or suggestion.
On Linear Audio Volume 4 there was a comparison between various voltage regulators and noise suppressors. Among them were the Bybee "Music Rails". At certain frequencies the Bybee "Music Rails", measured, attenuated the noise more than other devices tested. Indeed, it doesn't prove anything, yet, but there is a hint, or suggestion, that some Bybee devices may actually do something beneficial to the overall sound quality.
What to do when you don't get the facts I'm stating over and over, while you continue your fallacy over and over?
Indeed. However, the proclaimed scam should be proved to be one, prior to 'exposing' it as such.
The Music Rails do not make any 'slipstream' claims afaik.
http://www.pearl-hifi.com/06_Lit_Archive/15_Mfrs_Publications/Bybee_Noise_Reduction/Bybee_Music_Rail_Info.pdf
Dan.
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You are asking for the impossible. Proof of fraud would have to be legal proof, not scientific proof. Science can say that the device does not work as claimed or, perhaps, that it does not work at all. Science cannot say whether the seller believes his own explanations, which would have to be shown beyond reasonable doubt for fraud to be legally proved.Joshua_G said:
The people selling the 'magic aerials' I mentioned may have sincerely believed that they worked well and were worth the money.
Now regarding the device operation, I like others have formed the view that you do not understand why we believe they do not work. You attempt to hide this by repeatedly demanding scientific proof. If you had enough knowledge to understand the 'proof' you would no longer need to ask for it! A classic case of 'if you have to ask the question, then you won't understand the correct answer'.
Mixing Bybee quantum slipstream devices and Bybee music rails is unhelpful. One may actually work.
Everyone gets Top Secret. I had ATOMAL and CTS (Cosmic Top Secret) for some time, many years ago, I don't even dare to think about what it was about...
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I didn't refer to legal terms, I referred to scientific terms. Other than unproved opinions, no scientific proof for Bybee devices being fraud was presented.
Thank you for your complements.
Neither the view you formed nor your beliefs are scientific proof.
This fact has nothing to do with what I may understand and what I may fail to understand.
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