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Mastering process costs money, lots and lots of money. Something recording companies will want to avoid, and the general trend today is that you have thousands of home-grown companies that don't have a clue about how to properly master their songs, and either pay for it to be done, or ignores it.

No idea where you got the idea from that mastering costs 'lots and lots' of money.
Compared to the cost of recording and mixing by an engineer with a good name the cost of mastering is practically negligible.

Btw the best sounding releases to my ears of the last decade or so have never been touched by a mastering engineer.
 
My question was unrelated...to your statement...I just wanted everyones opinion and used your statement as an intro. Sorry for the confusion.

The point I was trying to make was that ...why if the redbook standard is the best humans could possibly discern/experience...why did the pros look for something better.
 
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Temporal resolution and post-processing capability. IMO, especially the former is the largest improvement. But people often misunderstand the concept of temporal resolution with a need for "dog whistle" frequency range. They're not related in anything other than they both require higher sample rates.
 
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The sampling rate at 44.1khz was always problematic as it only allowed for just over 20khz frequency range and adding output filters there is easily audible phase issues at the highest frequencies. Most people won't notice unless told though, and in that case there's the argument that you're hearing what you're told and not what you actually experience. This is an important point, I'll get back to that.
Only for NOS DACs. Oversampling pushes the phase issues way above the audible range.
 
Huh? You can oversample with zero phase. Look up sin(x)/x interpolation.

Look it up yourself. SinX interpolation is only valid when Nyquist's critea are meet which is never fully the case. Typical usage in oscilloscopes where the sample rate is in the gigahertz domain it makes very little practical difference but as sample rate decrease so does the probability of error.

The main issue is that interpolation, linear and especially SinX, can cause false samples ahead of the real sample due to music not being sine waves but a complex signal. This is temporal distortion.

The human hearing is much more sensitive to temporal resolution than most people think. Studies show between 10µs and 20µs for the average person with some few being sensitive down to 6µS, typically musicians. That corresponds to minimum required sample rate of between 50khz and 100khz for the average person and 166khz for very sensitive persons.
 
The main issue is that interpolation, linear and especially SinX, can cause false samples ahead of the real sample due to music not being sine waves but a complex signal. This is temporal distortion.

Eh? Music might be a complex signal, but it is still something that can be represented as a combination of sine waves. What do you mean with "false samples"?

The human hearing is much more sensitive to temporal resolution than most people think. Studies show between 10µs and 20µs for the average person with some few being sensitive down to 6µS, typically musicians. That corresponds to minimum required sample rate of between 50khz and 100khz for the average person and 166khz for very sensitive persons.
No. 6 µs can be trivially represented by a 44.1 KHz sample rate signal.
 
Perhaps.

Personally I don't care what gizmodo says or doesn't say.

Regardless of bitrate. The pono is aiming to be a good sounding player for 400 usd and on the basis of that fact alone it should be a competitive product. How competitive remains to be seen. After all...it is not as if mobile phone or ipod sound is "terrible". My kids listen to mp3's and are happy...the music is after all more important that the quality. (Even though I think most of the "music" they listen to is awful)

1. How much is an album (vinyl) nowadays?

2. How much better sound quality do you get from a Pono album download vs its LP counterpart?

3. How much is a Pono music album download?

* You should now be able to make a fair analytic balance (assessment) in both financial and performance distinctions.
Go with the best and leave the rest. ...It's live or bust! ...Only the music you love (Classical, Jazz & Blues); the rest is for young punks and wannabe pop stars. 😎
 
1. How much is an album (vinyl) nowadays?
I don't know.

2. How much better sound quality do you get from a Pono album download vs its LP counterpart?
Depends on what system ofcourse. So again....don't know.

3. How much is a Pono music album download?
Don't know.

* You should now be able to make a fair analytic balance (assessment) in both financial and performance distinctions.
Not really. Since an LP is not practical on the move.
 
Not really. Since an LP is not practical on the move.

Really? Wouldn't it be the truly hipster thing to do?

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I don't know.

An album (single vinyl) is between roughly $20 and $50.

Don't know.

A Pono music download is between $20 and $30.

Not really. Since an LP is not practical on the move.

I forgot about that. You're right, you can't listen to an LP on the go. ...What a truly sad oversight!

* I think an album sounds better than a Pono download; as long that you have a $500 or more TT. ...And a decent cartridge of course. ...And not a warped record. ...And a cleaning record machine to get those residues out of that brand new vinyl. ...And that you know how to properly set up the TT's speed, the tonearm, the azimuth, the tracking force, the horizontal and vertical tangential, the center of gravity, the belt tension, the anti-vibration devices, the right fluids for the stylus, the proper brushes, an anti-static gun, the right phono stage preamp, the right RIAA equalization curve, the proper anti-skating, and all the rest for proper analog vinyl playback. ...A PHD in analog science is also highly recommended. ...And academic mathematics is a plus.

** Can you put a DAC inside a turntable? ...That would be a good diy project, I tink.
 
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