How about bulges in clothing? ... 😛, 😀
This 'evidence' thing is never going to happen until someone sorts out better ways of measuring - or I get a top notch recording setup with microphone, meaning that I can do some meaningful analysis and comparison of what is emerging from the speakers, cold vs. warmed up.
The volume thing actually works the other way around, if you want "evidence" of some variety - initially, the sound is too edgy and irritating to have at high volume, then when fully conditioned one can put on a big production piece at full volume and just soak it up. And it's not aural conditioning - I've spent years dealing with SQ issues where the sound starts off well, and steadily degrades over a period of time - 'reverse' conditioning must have been happening ... 😉
This 'evidence' thing is never going to happen until someone sorts out better ways of measuring - or I get a top notch recording setup with microphone, meaning that I can do some meaningful analysis and comparison of what is emerging from the speakers, cold vs. warmed up.
The volume thing actually works the other way around, if you want "evidence" of some variety - initially, the sound is too edgy and irritating to have at high volume, then when fully conditioned one can put on a big production piece at full volume and just soak it up. And it's not aural conditioning - I've spent years dealing with SQ issues where the sound starts off well, and steadily degrades over a period of time - 'reverse' conditioning must have been happening ... 😉
It must have been the same time when equipment began to be disassembled and loosing pieces...And it's not aural conditioning - I've spent years dealing with SQ issues where the sound starts off well, and steadily degrades over a period of time - 'reverse' conditioning must have been happening ... 😉

You do have hard evidence (e.g. a woman in the kitchen) that the sound actually does improve after this warmup? Otherwise nasty cynical people might just think that your ears were being acclimatised to the sound, or being relieved when the volume is turned down.
A woman in the kitchen, Why are you putting unnecessary pressure on Frank ... 😀
I can do you a woman in the lounge, right at the moment ... I've got on a live recording of a local, contemporary jazz mob now, on the PC - JATP type of thing, volume right up, no complaints. Piano is a Roland or something, electric, sampled sounds are pretty good but the harmonics and lack of string resonances give the game away ...
EDit: Silly me, just look at the cover ... piano is a current Kawai 9500 electric - highly rated by Sound On Sound, but shows how hard it is to get the final touch of authenticity in synthesized piano ....
EDit: Silly me, just look at the cover ... piano is a current Kawai 9500 electric - highly rated by Sound On Sound, but shows how hard it is to get the final touch of authenticity in synthesized piano ....
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You do have hard evidence (e.g. a woman in the kitchen) that the sound actually does improve after this warmup? Otherwise nasty cynical people might just think that your ears were being acclimatised to the sound, or being relieved when the volume is turned down.
Oh my don't you know that it's NEVER the ears that are acclimating it's ALWAYS the equipment "burning in" 🙄 and evidence? 😕 That's not required when you never had any to begin with 😉
With the TV, very simple things can be done:
* Disable every bit of fancy processing that the set does on the fly, try and turn it into a really dumb, just displaying the raw video, box. With my TV, I freeze the display when playing audio, it's now just a photo display frame.
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Yep that's "improving" that TV. Who needs to see that new fancy changing picture when a static display will do!😛 Geez 🙄
In the world there are two sorts of people: those who think there are two sorts of people, and those that don't ...
Or sounded more "natural" or "less strained" or had better "presence". Without a wide array of meaningless adjectives that carefully avoid actually saying anything, being an audiophile would not be possible.I seems that if you ask ten people what soundstage means you will get ten somewhat different answers.
What happened to the terms like distortion, dynamic range, flat response, and such ?
Sound stage seems to be a catch all term for everything and means nothing.......except the reviewer does not know what else to say except they sound nice ......and says "they have good sound stage"........ or....... have bad sound stage.
However no one seen to care or know why they might be good or bad.
I've heard people say that their 2 inch computer speakers had good soundstage.🙄

I never argue with people, everybody believes they hear exactly what they hear.
Three sorts of people, there are also those who do not know that there are two sorts of people. On the other hand, both sorts of people think there is only one sort of people.In the world there are two sorts of people: those who think there are two sorts of people, and those that don't ...
I am one of those that don't even knows somebody that knows. I cannot imagine that a piece recorded in Carnegie Hall would convince me that a 3 x 4 meter listening area sounds as if I am in a 50 x 70 meter hall.
In that case the couple of rooms in my house with good quality hi-fi systems in would feel as if living in the equivalent of Buckingham Palace. Maybe a good selling point to prospective buyers that knows.
In that case the couple of rooms in my house with good quality hi-fi systems in would feel as if living in the equivalent of Buckingham Palace. Maybe a good selling point to prospective buyers that knows.
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Here is a bit of interesting reading regarding sound stage creation and I trust it is this that people are hearing and not something their systems are synthesising. Read the whole review it is interesting maybe less ******** than what the people that know say.
Audeze LCD-X headphones | Stereophile.com
Audeze LCD-X headphones | Stereophile.com
But that's exactly what does happen - the information your ears are getting convinces your hearing system that what you're listening to is coming from an environment of that size, irrespective of what your eyes see. As a mind experiment, if you were to be blindfolded, and instantly transported from your living space to such large environment, your hearing system wouldn't pick the change, forgetting about the fact that the musical event would obviously be different ...I am one of those that don't even knows somebody that knows. I cannot imagine that a piece recorded in Carnegie Hall would convince me that a 3 x 4 meter listening area sounds as if I am in a 50 x 70 meter hall.
Hadn't heard the expression before, looked up the article - a key comment:
Part of the process of optimising a system is having a Sharpener's perception, but luckily there is a 3rd state - for want of a better term I call it Doesn'tMatter - the sound's working at a level of being satisfying to the degree that one has no desire to put on the Sharpener's hat. Which is not the same as not being able to do so, just that one has no particular interest in doing so. And, it's not accepting compromise like possibly the Levelers do at times - if a Leveler can hear the difference between reproduction and the real thing, then he's a closet Sharpener anyway ... 😀The tendency to begin as a Leveler and progress to being more of a Sharpener is part of the learning process of becoming an audiophile.
...it's all god to me.
god is just the way a dyslexic spells dog
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Select stereo reverse on your pre ampA dyslexic soundstage?


Frank go take a listen to the link on NorthStar's comment, what do you say of the sound stage? Is the voices to the left or the right of the white rat? I take it that it is the number one hit song in Canada!
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What was that vicious rumour about Canadians being normal people ... 🙂 ? ... reminds me of that Star Treking ditty, eons ago ...
If you want manufactured, interesting soundstage, this is more my cup of tea ... Autechre - cloudline - YouTube. This can sound very, very impressive ...
If you want manufactured, interesting soundstage, this is more my cup of tea ... Autechre - cloudline - YouTube. This can sound very, very impressive ...
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