I see you havent replied to my question asking what software you are using for crossover design. Getting the proper driver roll offs, and matching driver levels is very hard to do without seeing how the filter is interacting with the drivers. The drivers you are using are very good...
While this is with the SS 9500/9700, here are some results showing a successful crossover around 2.2khz
Amish revisted
You should be able to get fairly close with the 9500 filter, a lot closer then you likely are right now...
While this is with the SS 9500/9700, here are some results showing a successful crossover around 2.2khz
Amish revisted
You should be able to get fairly close with the 9500 filter, a lot closer then you likely are right now...
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I agree 100%
I know that that one of the mistakes that I personally made when I started to build loudspeakers was that I would purchase expensive parts, and then blame the parts when the loudspeaker didn't sound good. I turned out that the problem was that I was trying to design the crossover 'by ear', and this is really difficult to do, particularly with high order slopes. I think it's semi-possible to make a decent sounding two way with simple crossovers, well behaved drivers, and your own two ears. But a mic helps a LOT, particularly with boutique drivers and high order xovers. (By 'boutique', I mean drivers with peaks in their response due, such as aluminum or carbon fiber coned drivers.)
Small sealed box 7"....smooth response and easy to cross?.....easily the classic SEAS CA18rly. Don't know of any other woofer that plays as low and high in a sealed box, period.
Now you have a good list of suggestions, the choice shd be made on what's best for your needs, i.e. size of box, extension etc.
Personally think the 8 ohm Satori looks v good on paper, its not crazy expensive, has a smooth top end and favorable reviews on various forums. Its also a newish driver so has that cache i guess. aesthetically nice too!
Personally think the 8 ohm Satori looks v good on paper, its not crazy expensive, has a smooth top end and favorable reviews on various forums. Its also a newish driver so has that cache i guess. aesthetically nice too!
Guy's (who are saying it should be able to work) have you looked at the FR of this SS woofer? I personally think without some serious correction on the breakup 4th order L/R at 1.7Khz is not going to get it anywhere close to out of trouble. Even with some serious attenuation in the 2-3Khz range it is clearly out of its comfort range and will probably still have pretty noticable issues...
It looks to me like it is intended to be used in a three (or maybe four) way, crossing over lower than probably 500Hz...
I think that getting something else (for a two way) is warranted. If later the OP wants to do something more challenging then a three way using it is probably an option 🙂
Tony.
It looks to me like it is intended to be used in a three (or maybe four) way, crossing over lower than probably 500Hz...
I think that getting something else (for a two way) is warranted. If later the OP wants to do something more challenging then a three way using it is probably an option 🙂
Tony.
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Hi Jay, wasn't saying it couldn't be done 😉 Just would you want to? But I must say I'm impressed! 🙂
Tony.
Tony.
If the real world implementation works as good as on paper, you might be all set. I hope you got the impedances and the efficiencies right. Baffle step? Every speaker project I've ever done (many dozens) has been a learning experience for me.
I have had the same experience.
other options are:
The Madisound Speaker Store
The Madisound Speaker Store
They aren't as flat as the Satori but they are a lot cheaper and not difficult to tame.
A cheap suggestion:
Mission CP168 6.5" woofer (well the best cheap woofer in this category that I know of)
Mission CP168M3
Mission CP168 6.5" woofer (well the best cheap woofer in this category that I know of)
Mission CP168M3
SB are based in scandinavia and have a main factory in Surabaya, Indonesia, I get a discount from the factory(via SB) but I'm not sure if the Satori's are made there.
Off topic Warning:
From what I know, SB Acoustics, is owned by Sinar Baja Electric (based in Indonesia). In 2006 SB Electric founded Danesian Audio in Herning, Denmark (just 10 mins from Videbaek) to develop and design drivers (Ulrik Schmidt and Frank Nielsen both live in Denmark).
The turmoil caused by Vifa, ScanSpeak and Peerless all being bought under one umbrella (DST/Tympany) and then later the break up/dissolution of Tympamy/DST etc caused a lot of ex-Vifa, ex ScanSpeak, and ex Peerless engineers moving on to greener pastures. Wavecor (based in Guangzhou, China) was another company formed from this turmoil (by Allan Isaksen, Per Madsen and others).
It is surprising that a small country like Denmark has so many well known audio products from companies as diverse as Bang & Olufsen, Brüel & Kjær, Oticon, Widex, AM3D etc. not to forget all of Mr. Skanning's creations (Dynaudio, etc..).
Now lets get back to the regular programming. 🙂
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Just to add, David and Umi at SB Acoustics were in the end, far more accommodating than Scanspeak towards small scale OEM orders(min 250pcs!). Altho I like Scanspeak products, my loyalty is towards SB from now on.
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Standard spec OEM, not customized.
With Scanspeak, if you want to buy direct, you have to place an order for min. 250 pcs per type. I've got an email to back that up.
With Scanspeak, if you want to buy direct, you have to place an order for min. 250 pcs per type. I've got an email to back that up.
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I think It must be an old email, becase I belive you can buy standard drivers down to 1 piece now, at least as a manufacture. I think this 250unit pr order is something from the dark Tymphany days 🙂
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