Oh crap. Is there a scientist aisle at Walmart? I hate running out of things. Must be an aisle they have everything at Walmart. One us just used a bad analogy.
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As I said, it is far easier to just write off inconvenient results than to accept them. Its like global warming - 99.8% of all scientists accept this as fact, but the skeptics will point to the other .2% and say "Its not proven."[/QUOTE]
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As I said, it is far easier to just write off inconvenient results than to accept them. Its like global warming - 99.8% of all scientists accept this as fact, but the skeptics will point to the other .2% and say "Its not proven."[/QUOTE]
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That sounds worth posting. It seems the more you read about audio the more you realise the truly great science has already been done but it gets subtly altered and rehashed. I for one, love eBays method of peer review, ya get what your schiit is really worth.(-:
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that would "spin" my nixie clock quite a bit faster
fatigue to readjust manually so often
Do you STILL have a nixie clock?
I would love to resurrect one of those - the only display with depth of field 😀
Sorry, OT
I address this particularly at my good friend, peteleoni. 😉
The reason most speakers sound absolutely terrible is the notorious and ubiquitous 1" dome tweeter. Robin Marshall discusses it here. Either you fit a tonally inaccurate metal dome, which sounds lousy with piano, or you go for the paper cone tweeter.
The Visaton TW 70 needs a good filter to get right, but it sounds marvellous.
Here's the thing. Why do you think the cone woofer is so right, when the cone tweeter is wrong? It makes no sense. Cones are right. Domes suck. 😎
The reason most speakers sound absolutely terrible is the notorious and ubiquitous 1" dome tweeter. Robin Marshall discusses it here. Either you fit a tonally inaccurate metal dome, which sounds lousy with piano, or you go for the paper cone tweeter.
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The Visaton TW 70 needs a good filter to get right, but it sounds marvellous.
Here's the thing. Why do you think the cone woofer is so right, when the cone tweeter is wrong? It makes no sense. Cones are right. Domes suck. 😎
Here is one for you. I have always thought that a carefully selected piezo tweet crossed high enough against many of those 1" evil domes was about a wash. Apparently so did Klipsch, was used in the giant concert and theater systems.
I agree with you on cone tweeters- my pet peeve is insufficient surface area in speakers and domes are the embodiment of that.
Why did cone tweeters go out of fashion? I once had a pair of speakers with 3" Seas cone tweeters, and they were fabulous.
For a bad reason imo, some of it was likely specsmanship. You would see the figure 17.5k a lot early on, it was achievable. Then the 20 to 20k thing became trendy, even though everyone knew the low end was going to be well drooped room dependant and not there. So they quit that but the 20k thing stuck. Thus the ever present domes. I do think some cone tweeters sounded very nice.
I agree, I think that it is surface area, not shape that matters. Larger diaphragms have narrower directivity, less excursion, more dynamic range.
Indeed- I look at 2" dome "midranges" and wonder "why?" In the case of the B&W nautilus, okay, I get it, it's a design statement for omnidirectional operation with limited driver bandwidth, a "very" multiway. I think this is part of what made some of the JBL cone 'n dome systems better performing than many of their contemporaries- they didn't ask the domes to do 2kHz, they had small mids performing those duties.
I agree that specs may be the reason. The cone tweeters I have don't look great at the top. They sound OK, tho. But I'm no fan of tweeters, anyway.
Well, boys, I don't make this stuff up.
This is a great sounding speaker. 🙂
Naturally I have done some great things with phase alignment, but the TW 70 - 8 Ohm is a great tweeter.
Try it.
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This is a great sounding speaker. 🙂
Naturally I have done some great things with phase alignment, but the TW 70 - 8 Ohm is a great tweeter.
Try it.
I like your style... except for the 'diamond' orientation of the tweeter (holes too close to the old ones?)
You've piqued my interest now. I have a few vintage cone tweeters kicking around. Never thought of actually using them.
You said something about needing a good filter to use the Visaton TW70. Could you elaborate?
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Knowing first hand your way with crossovers, I would bet the jewels you did it right.
Simple answer is that subjectively those "subtleties" make all the difference. My experimentation and experience of other systems has demonstrated that "fact" over and over again - many other setups that I have heard may have been technically far superior in the areas of correct dispersion of sound, etc - but I rapidly lost interest in listening to them, they produced 'sound', but such didn't translate into 'music' in my skull. And the latter is somewhat more important to me ...
So, I have deliberately gone very, very downmarket in the sort of gear I've played with - to see how far one could take this. Take consumer electronics never intended to be anything more than midfi - and see what is possible. And, the results are remarkable: provided one takes the right steps, suitably prepares the components by warming them up thoroughly, etc, the end result is that they can be capable of remarkably satisfying, musical playback which reveals high levels of detail within the recording - much more so then most of the relatively expensive, highly "engineered" equipment, setup in very ordinary, normal ways, that I have come across otherwise ...
So is Franks 6" full range at 100+ dB - or so he claims as well.
Is it really necessary to say "My speakers sound great!" around here? I mean it's assumed isn't it?
Here is a radical idea: why not show some measurements?
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