I don't think a full frequency digital EQ works so well with passive crossovers
but said to be really good with single fullrange speakers
but said to be really good with single fullrange speakers
Not really. But how much more is there to say than "EQ can be handy to fix some problems, but fixing them with room treatments is usually better when possible. Use cut only, if you can."
That's pretty much it, isn't it?
That's pretty much it, isn't it?
Ah, but that is because you are trying to turn this thread into something positive as if it has a title like 'Where is EQ usefull?'.
Fortunately the thread isn't about that however, but is all about why a subsection of the community dislike an item treasured by another subsection of the community. So we have lots of opportunities to express intolerance and talk for ever 🙂
By Jove - I think you've got it! 😀
Let me rephrase: EQ - what a load of rubbish! EQ fans are idiots! Real men don't need EQ. Etc.!!
Let me rephrase: EQ - what a load of rubbish! EQ fans are idiots! Real men don't need EQ. Etc.!!
Hmmmm maybe I'm a closet audiophile 😉
My first diy amp had passive tone controls, I got rid of them and ran it "straight through" because they dropped the levels too much.
My second amp had active tone controls using ne5534's the pots got scratchy, and people allways wound the bass right up at parties, so I bypassed them.
My third amp didn't have any tone controls and I didn't even put in a volume control...
I did however have lpads on my 3 way speakers, which invariably got tweaked to a sound that I liked (interestingly this never matched what an in room measurement would have suggested would be the correct settings). Oh dear I AM a closet audiophile!!
Tony.
My first diy amp had passive tone controls, I got rid of them and ran it "straight through" because they dropped the levels too much.
My second amp had active tone controls using ne5534's the pots got scratchy, and people allways wound the bass right up at parties, so I bypassed them.
My third amp didn't have any tone controls and I didn't even put in a volume control...
I did however have lpads on my 3 way speakers, which invariably got tweaked to a sound that I liked (interestingly this never matched what an in room measurement would have suggested would be the correct settings). Oh dear I AM a closet audiophile!!
Tony.
I always figured it is the Jove from "Quod licet Iovi non licet bovi". Jove (Jupiter) is a Latin God, and the expression means: If Jove is allowed to do it, that doesn't mean an oxen is.
I have yet to see a room that did not require room correction software. Even after room treatments there are still issues that people can choose to address IF they want accurate playback or complete control over the room response curve.
Again, its all choice. EQing in room is required.
1. if someone wants an accurate response curve.
2. if someone wants to control the response curve.
btw, Pano and goosewings' posts are great 😀 They definitely point out the flaws in how discussions go on daily here!!
Reasons to have tone controls and/or EQ in a playback system:
1.) The frequency response of the ear varies significantly with level.
2.) The listening room acoustics are likely to cause major defects in the frequency response at the listening position.
3.) Recording engineers often do a bad job of electronic EQ.
4.) Many recording engineers don't have very good knowledge of acoustics and mic techniques.
5.) Not one of the intelligent contributors to the other thread I mentioned felt that flat is what we want. It's just not that simple.
6.) The intentions of any musician are to sound "good", and be "enjoyable", whatever that is for any given individual.
7.) The frequency response of the ear varies significantly from person to person.
8.) Back in the "Golden Era" of hi-fi (50's, 60's), when it was more about what sounded good than some half baked technical theory of perfection some dim witted engineer came up with, they didn't have any doubt about the desirability of tone controls, and they never bothered with the tone bypass switch.
9.) Assuming a tone control circuit has good phase margin and necessary headroom at all settings of the controls (much more likely a problem in transistor circuits - especially when opamps are used and the EQ is in the feedback (Baxandall)), the amount of distortion they add is likely to be insignificant, compared to anything and everything else in the reproduction process.
10.) Arguably, the weakest link of any playback systems is how the speakers interact with the listening room acoustics. To not try to improve this is foolish. If your listening room acoustics create a significant uneveness in the frequency response in the lower midrange and bass frequencies (very typical), turning up the bass will sound worse, when it should be very desirable. Most rooms are especially bad in these lower frequencies, hence the concept of flanking woofers and independantly movable woofers that you get with the satalite/woofer approach.
Too bad so many people can't understand much of this. Hi-Fi sales people push them the other way because it's about the dollar. They've made suckers out of a LOT of people.
1.) The frequency response of the ear varies significantly with level.
2.) The listening room acoustics are likely to cause major defects in the frequency response at the listening position.
3.) Recording engineers often do a bad job of electronic EQ.
4.) Many recording engineers don't have very good knowledge of acoustics and mic techniques.
5.) Not one of the intelligent contributors to the other thread I mentioned felt that flat is what we want. It's just not that simple.
6.) The intentions of any musician are to sound "good", and be "enjoyable", whatever that is for any given individual.
7.) The frequency response of the ear varies significantly from person to person.
8.) Back in the "Golden Era" of hi-fi (50's, 60's), when it was more about what sounded good than some half baked technical theory of perfection some dim witted engineer came up with, they didn't have any doubt about the desirability of tone controls, and they never bothered with the tone bypass switch.
9.) Assuming a tone control circuit has good phase margin and necessary headroom at all settings of the controls (much more likely a problem in transistor circuits - especially when opamps are used and the EQ is in the feedback (Baxandall)), the amount of distortion they add is likely to be insignificant, compared to anything and everything else in the reproduction process.
10.) Arguably, the weakest link of any playback systems is how the speakers interact with the listening room acoustics. To not try to improve this is foolish. If your listening room acoustics create a significant uneveness in the frequency response in the lower midrange and bass frequencies (very typical), turning up the bass will sound worse, when it should be very desirable. Most rooms are especially bad in these lower frequencies, hence the concept of flanking woofers and independantly movable woofers that you get with the satalite/woofer approach.
Too bad so many people can't understand much of this. Hi-Fi sales people push them the other way because it's about the dollar. They've made suckers out of a LOT of people.
but, but....ignorance is bliss 😀
Honestly, I sometimes think back to my "simple" audio days where myths controlled my experience. It was easy then!!
Honestly, I sometimes think back to my "simple" audio days where myths controlled my experience. It was easy then!!
