Who do you know who records at 48kHz when intending to make a CD? I'd have thought they'd choose a multiple of 44k1.
Have a read here : Gearslutz.com - View Single Post - Soundgarden's Down On The Upside (Vinyl)
Notice Pete Lyman says there's a 44k1 master tape and there's a delay line. That delay line means another ADC and DAC stage (16bits according to him), not necessarily at the same sampling frequency as the master unless both the master and the line are sync'd to the house clock. An ADC/DAC stage at 16bits is more likely to be a cause of degradation than an SRC.
Quality of SRCs is an issue for sure. But there's no excuse for a bad one because PC software can do the job offline at arbitrary precision.
No one said anything about "foolish" or "hallucinations" (except you), and the measurements only say that it is not an accurate way to store and replay data, not that the colorations aren't appealing to some.
You're reading stuff that's not there. You like the colorations, fine. Other don't, also fine. What's the problem?
Measurement accuracy has little to do with what people will like. People like house curves, people like tube amps that add distortion, People like Vinyl. "People" also do not know how to do a controlled listening test to really make valid conclusions about anything in audio but that is another topic 😉
The conclusions have been made for years but somehow some people still want to argue that Vinyl is as accurate as CD which anyone educated in audio science knows its completely false.
Its simple people have to stop arguing about anything science based and just realize they like something with a little more color and distortion. The topic "I love the sound of Vinyl" has nothing to do with the topic "CD is the more accurate medium".
I hate vinyl and all that goes with it, through attrition Vinyl will some day be completely dead. Im hoping that is within the life span of forum discussions just because these topics are stupid 😀
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My problem is with your use of the word 'coloration.' Why is it that the sound I like is 'colored?' Because the measurements say so? If yes, then the measurements are useless, because to me -- the listener -- it sounds more real than what you choose to define as 'uncolored.'
Also, please don't try to quote out of context. That trick is old.
Anyway, I'll stop now. We are veering off topic and let's not do that. I just want to share some experiences I've had, which have been real and tell me that my measurements must agree with observation and not vice versa.
Also, please don't try to quote out of context. That trick is old.
Anyway, I'll stop now. We are veering off topic and let's not do that. I just want to share some experiences I've had, which have been real and tell me that my measurements must agree with observation and not vice versa.
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So far, so good. Data is primary, theories contingent on data.
Yes - so far on this thread I haven't noticed anyone disputing this data. Lots of people enjoy vinyl. Not at all contentious.
This is where it all goes pear-shaped. You said data is primary, I agree. So where's the data in respect of:
1) Dismissing people who enjoy vinyl (as opposed to exposing arguments from such people)
2) People on this thread saying those who enjoy vinyl are foolish simply for enjoying vinyl (and no other reason like making untenable claims about vinyl's superiority).
3) Saying people who enjoy vinyl are hallucinating.
I can't see it myself and I've been reading the thread for a while. Anyone else seeing this?
Yeah, I'm with you on working out why existing measurements are inadequate.
That, I think is the kernel of it. There are people who seem to claim that the existing measurements are the full picture.
The ear itself & hearing mecahnism introduces colouration, SY, so you do like colouration!SY said:
Is such thing as pleasant distortion.
It is present in tube power amps (with output transformer), record players and FM tuners, they all sound good, but not better than a well recorded reel to reel tape, a good CD or a SACD.
It is present in tube power amps (with output transformer), record players and FM tuners, they all sound good, but not better than a well recorded reel to reel tape, a good CD or a SACD.
In a 100m race, it does not matter what each opponent weighs, what matters is who finishes first. Calling the medium inaccurate is just another way of saying it is colored. It may be inaccurate according to your measurements, but what matters is it can still produce an experience that is not only enjoyable, but also very real. Where is the inaccuracy then?
I know that vinyl is a poor medium compared to the reliability, etc of a CD. But it still does sound good. And I'm fascinated by why it is so. You can keep telling me that it is doesn't measure well compared to a CD, but that doesn't help you or me. We need to find out why it can sound so good, despite its well documented shortcomings.
I know that vinyl is a poor medium compared to the reliability, etc of a CD. But it still does sound good. And I'm fascinated by why it is so. You can keep telling me that it is doesn't measure well compared to a CD, but that doesn't help you or me. We need to find out why it can sound so good, despite its well documented shortcomings.
Some of my friends like 8 tracks. Others like cassettes. So?
There's really nothing to research here. Different people like different things. This is a revelation?
There's really nothing to research here. Different people like different things. This is a revelation?
I can see the tracers on the flak comin' in, but i just had K-Works make me a cable for my Denon 103 in the SL1200 with "His Master's Noise" providing sufficient gain, XLR's, on the outputs, and it just is incredible.
Yup, I just want to know why vinyl (and SETs) appeal to so many people (including me).
I recently got an SL1300, and it is freaking awesome.
I recently got an SL1300, and it is freaking awesome.
In a way, yes. Like it or not your analog sources are disappearing fast. Some says my favorite SACD is dead. Adjust your ears to MP3.😀
I wasn't talking about satisfying more people, its about satisfying (some) people more. Most people satisfice. Well truth be told I'm only working to satisfy myself, if others like my designs all well and good.
I very much agree that digital is 'good enough audio for the masses' btw. The fact that perhaps the majority of British tea drinkers enjoy PG Tips in bags doesn't negate the value of estate grown leaf tea. Each to their own.
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