I don't believe cables make a difference, any input?

[Panicos K]

Sure, people should do research. Just curious, what source of objective info about audio cables is currently available for the non audio engineering consumer? Hardly any. Certainly not independent test reports using validated protocols.

The only objective thing that matters is when a non audio engineering consumer has a solid opinion of his own.If he hasn't one and just buys according to other's reviews and opinions,then I have to agree with Andre🙂

 

[Steve Dunlap]

No, its a manufacturing POV and the laws of diminished returns.

Again, you are preaching subjectivity (your true colors showed up in that post 😱). It doesnt fly in the real world from those who have travelled, who can buy them and know the truth.

Next you will argue that the $2K tires on the expensive cars are superior to the $200 to $500 choices 😱 or that the real expensive leather is better to sit on or the real wood makes the car ride better then fake stuff. Its all about the finer things but it has actually nothing to do with performance itself because "finer" does not equal increased performance.

I think you may have stepped out of your knowledge zone with the tire comments. Have you ever worked for a tire company?

 

[fredex]

Hi fi in New Zealand? If so, where?

Not so much these days, now it is stereo and 7.1 😀

 

[fredex]

The engineering in Curl, Pass, Wright, Carr et al designs are rooted in mysticism?! Guys, get over yourselves.

You can't make use of good engineering to explain the existence of, for example, "magic pebbles".

 

[Curly Woods]

No matter how you slice and dice it, boconnor has a good point.
Why should the audio equipment and cable makers be treated differently?
As auplater said, ".... engineering fact trumps subjective appraisal in the real world outside of high end audio any day of the week."

High quality sound used to be associated with good engineering, now it seems there are people hell bent on having it associated with mysticism. 😕

You listen and purchase using what ever method that you see fit. For the vast majority, sound quality is based upon what they hear, not what they are told how something measures in a laboratory. It that is mysticism, then so be it. I prefer to think of it as open minded engineers that realize there is more to how something sounds than what a measurement tells them. Have you ever take measurements of equipment that you have purchased and returned it based upon measurements? I trust that you listened to what you purchased (or built) and compared it to a know reference standard to determine the merit of what you have built. I know that solid engineering is involved in every great audio design, but the final proof is in how something sounds. Didn't Julian Hirsch die finally? I thought that the world had moved past everything sounds the same mentality long ago.

 

[simon7000]

Syn,

Sometimes we travel on the same road. Here are the results for different types of solder. 110 joints with jumpers on a pc card. Less 60 hertz due to smaller area. I can measure it, the differences are less than a reasonable margin of error. Can anyone hear it? I would have trouble with that. By the way this also demonstrates I can solder!

http://www.audioxpress.com/magsdirx/ax/addenda/media/simon3126_fig6.jpg

 

[Panicos K]

btw, They buy the Mercedes for the prestige and for the misconception it is designed better.......

.....The Japanese and the Germans definitely out build the Americans though.

Sounds like a contradiction to me......

 

[Curly Woods]

You can't make use of good engineering to explain the existence of, for example, "magic pebbles".

But great engineering applied to how something sounds, tells a great audio engineer what is the right path to follow and pursue in future designs.

 

[Curly Woods]

I think you may have stepped out of your knowledge zone with the tire comments. Have you ever worked for a tire company?

No but he did stay at a Holiday Inn recently 😀

 

[john curl]

'Magic Pebbles' are pretty far out. Designed by an Aerospace Engineer.

 

[fredex]

But great engineering applied to how something sounds, tells a great audio engineer what is the right path to follow and pursue in future designs.

Sounds good, but I guess you wouldn't be suggesting that we can look forward to even better sounding 'magic pebbles' after the engineers have improved them. 🙂

 

[rdf]

You can't make use of good engineering to explain the existence of, for example, "magic pebbles".

I'm too lazy/busy to look up that logical fallacy. Conspiratorial hint: 'Pebble' and 'Parasound' both begin with 'P'!

 

[Curly Woods]

Sounds good, but I guess you wouldn't be suggesting that we can look forward to even better sounding 'magic pebbles' after the engineers have improved them. 🙂

Never heard of them myself. Without knowing I could not say if they have any merit 😀

 

[john curl]

I have some, got some info from the designer, has some merit. Pretty far out, compared to most things.

 

[boconnor]

Never heard of them myself. Without knowing I could not say if they have any merit 😀

Great, I have a set of magic pebbles I'm happy to sell you.

Even better, I will let you trial them for 30 days, no worries. Of course, your system may not have the resolving power to hear the audible improvement they make. I can help with that to: I have some special power cords that will do the trick, just got great reviews from the high-end audio press last month.

Oh, and one more thing, you need to listen really carefully for the added depth and improved soundstage. Sometimes these things are very subtle, and you really need to train yourself to hear the differences.

Of course these are premium products with a price to match. But remember, these improvements will give you hours of enhanced listening enjoyment.

 

[john curl]

Gee, Boconnor, you were stupid enough to buy these exotic tweaks, without listening first? ;-) Or do you think that we are stupid enough to believe you?

 

[auplater]

gold contacts

Holmes work was pretty well researched back when we were working on these:

NASA Technical Reports Server

funny how, if gold is such a bad actor, why is it still the material of choice for circuit board fingers, cpu connections from die to outside world, Schottky diodes, bolometers, other exotic devices used to measure miilikelvins of rf, etc. ad nauseeum, all much more critical applications than audio interconnects.

Surely if the effects portrayed by subjective anecdotes exist in our 4 dimensional world, they would have been discovered and reseached for these applications.

Also, why is it that "xrays proven not to exist' 100+ years ago is a valid condemnation of the "scientific method", yet the "foundation of modern contact science (aka Holmes) is held inviolate? maybe the National Enquirer could do some research. Seems like self contradictory statements to me.

John L.

 

[Curly Woods]

Great, I have a set of magic pebbles I'm happy to sell you.

Even better, I will let you trial them for 30 days, no worries. Of course, your system may not have the resolving power to hear the audible improvement they make. I can help with that to: I have some special power cords that will do the trick, just got great reviews from the high-end audio press last month.

Oh, and one more thing, you need to listen really carefully for the added depth and improved soundstage. Sometimes these things are very subtle, and you really need to train yourself to hear the differences.

Of course these are premium products with a price to match. But remember, these improvements will give you hours of enhanced listening enjoyment.

You enjoy them. I will stick to listening to cabling and audio equipment. If they are like a sorbothane like substance, they would have some merit under some types of equipment though.
Try to sell them on Ebay. I have never been exposed to the esoteric type things like this as I tended to leave these types of items to the mail order crowd. What prompted you to purchase such things? I mean if cables are inaudible, why waste your money and time with such nonsense

 

[Curly Woods]

Gee, Boconnor, you were stupid enough to buy these exotic tweaks, without listening first? ;-) Or do you think that we are stupid enough to believe you?

He must have been brainwashed by the "advertising" John.

 

[john curl]

Holm, not Holmes. Ragnar, not Sherlock. What is wrong with you? AND by the way, what sections of 'Modern Electrochemistry' should I read in detail? Second time asking.