😀maybe the secret is to have a zero gravity room, so the details won´t fall down on the floor in the first place
A DSP, Digital Signal Processor, isn't necessarily a bad thing. Some are wonderful, such as the Via Tremor/Envoy that powers the M-Audio Audiophile 192 (and others).
I've listened to music with a lot of HT processors, the moment that you bypass the DSP, the music just sounded much more realistic. So I'm a bit sceptical when it come to DSP, record it correctly to begin with, then the less you have to tamper with the signal, the better.
I didn't know that the details leaked out. And I thought that was dust on the floor!
Mostly I thought that cables trapped detail, filtered them out. So every once in awhile it's good to turn them around and play Beethoven's 9th, 4th movement, really loud. Unclogs everything, including the speakers.
Shootz, I've known that since I was in grade school. 😀
Mostly I thought that cables trapped detail, filtered them out. So every once in awhile it's good to turn them around and play Beethoven's 9th, 4th movement, really loud. Unclogs everything, including the speakers.
Shootz, I've known that since I was in grade school. 😀
If you always are replaying music at low levels, a lot of detail will end on the floor, because of lack of speed. You have to turn up the volume, to make details able to reach your listening position, otherwise they will end up on the floor.
But that is not the worst case at all. If you later turn up your volume, you might stir up the old details, which then can mix up with new details. This is a very confusing thing, that might lead to dizzyness, and if excessive amounts of details were lying on the floor, even fainting has been observed.
In the long run details may end up everywhere, vinyl freaks talk about them causing noise on their LP´s. Others had them end up in their eyes, causing shortsightnes, but the worst I´ve heard is that they ended up on the toilet paper causing severe allergies in some persons best end.
So do not go easy with details, be allert and proper.
But that is not the worst case at all. If you later turn up your volume, you might stir up the old details, which then can mix up with new details. This is a very confusing thing, that might lead to dizzyness, and if excessive amounts of details were lying on the floor, even fainting has been observed.
In the long run details may end up everywhere, vinyl freaks talk about them causing noise on their LP´s. Others had them end up in their eyes, causing shortsightnes, but the worst I´ve heard is that they ended up on the toilet paper causing severe allergies in some persons best end.
So do not go easy with details, be allert and proper.
This thread is, in essence, about what discernible contribution, if any, is made to the sound quality of a system by various cable options. The only definition of sound quality in this context which can be given is that of fidelity to the original sound.
As the majority of people listen to lighter music usually recorded in studios using multi mics, single tracks, solo booths, .....you name it.....this 'music' is then 'assembled' into a coherent(!) whole by mixing down the various components into a stereo master tape/disc!! My question is "where is the performance element in such music?" It can only be in the skill of the "producer"!🙄
A good few people who use this forum actually go listen to live music performances, be they unreinforced acoustic music or, at the opposite extreme, live gigs in large venues both indoor and outdoor.
Many other forum users simply do not attend live music performances.🙄
The point of this post is to ask how on earth we can have a valid opinion on any replay equipment whatsoever unless we truly know the sound of music, the natural timbre of instruments, the acoustic of a large variety of performance venues, the effects of PA systems etc etc.
Even the scientists and engineers among us would have to concede that there can only be a large amount of personal preference in choosing any equipment, let alone cables.😕
As the majority of people listen to lighter music usually recorded in studios using multi mics, single tracks, solo booths, .....you name it.....this 'music' is then 'assembled' into a coherent(!) whole by mixing down the various components into a stereo master tape/disc!! My question is "where is the performance element in such music?" It can only be in the skill of the "producer"!🙄
A good few people who use this forum actually go listen to live music performances, be they unreinforced acoustic music or, at the opposite extreme, live gigs in large venues both indoor and outdoor.
Many other forum users simply do not attend live music performances.🙄
The point of this post is to ask how on earth we can have a valid opinion on any replay equipment whatsoever unless we truly know the sound of music, the natural timbre of instruments, the acoustic of a large variety of performance venues, the effects of PA systems etc etc.
Even the scientists and engineers among us would have to concede that there can only be a large amount of personal preference in choosing any equipment, let alone cables.😕
It's my main hesitation about Sean Olive's otherwise exceptional testing protocols. It's preference-based. There's something circular about, for example, assembling a listening panel from those generally raised on forward firing direct radiators and from the results finding forward firing direct radiators are preferred. Listening tests of this type really should be against a repeatable and consistent original sound source.
I completely agree with your observations. Without knowledge of what real instruments sound like without amplification, it is simply a matter of "sound preference". To truly judge the quality of any hi-fi one should know what they are trying to reproduce, or else it would be a futile exercise.
I love to listen to chamber groups when possible. Not large scale, but I can focus on the violin, cello and bass to get a much better understanding of their true signatures.
Of course, it happens daily in the audio world.
The majority of purchases are based on brand, price, looks, reviews. You guys need to step out of your very small little world and realize what the majority do. Im not saying its right or wrong Im just pointing out some important but simple facts that many seem to isolate themselves from.
Its only been proven over and over if we remove those BIAS the conclusions have always changed. From all those test its pretty safe to say BIAS has an overwhelming effect on the conclusions.
Im still waiting for the subjective crowd to do the controlled tests. That is all any of us have ever asked.
Your post here implies the assumption that these biases are insurmountable. Once fooled by a purdy faceplate, forever its dupe. Whether this has been 'only proven again and again' was my question.
BIAS is the same for high,mid and low-end audio.Surely, the majority you mention is buying low-mid end audio.Any doubt ? Check numbers of sales anywhere in the world.Right.....important and simple facts.
So,I guess some others may need to step out of their very small little world.
Aha! Excellent!!!! Your comment means that you have a hi-fi system. It is one of many tests that success is when playback is more pleasant without a DSP effect.
There may be two exceptions:
1). The Via 1616 with older driver software could make a stereo expansion without erasing the ambiance on the recording. The modern Tremor/Envoy can do almost as well, but not quite.
2). You can use a home theater rig on Only the rear channels and run a clean hi-fi rig with full size speakers for the front channels. You can control the amount of effect with the HT controls, especially its volume knob. This is especially convincing with David's CommonSenseAudio Ambiance speaker, open baffle front speakers, Devore front speakers, Ohm Walsh, Linkwitz Orion, etc. . .
Well, that was the briefing, but let's refer to Linkwitz for the details on how to use home theatre DSP in system symmetry with a hi-fi: Surround stereo system
Perhaps that can give you some ideas.
With item #2 above, its not necessary to use weird speaker cables or effects to cause the front two channels an euphonic ringing. Instead, you can run the front two channels in a high dispersion clean stereo and then "tack on" any euphonic effect you like via a physically separate system that is played simultaneously.
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