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Default His Master's Noise: A Thoroughly Modern Tube Phono Preamp

After more than 25 years of faithful service, it seemed that it might be time to redo my phono system. After all, I like to think that I've picked up a few tricks in the intervening years... The old system consisted of a VPI HW17-II, a Linn Ittok LVII tonearm, and a Troika cartridge. The Troika was...

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18th April 2017
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lehmanhill
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Scott,

You are correct. The intention by SY was to connect the positive regulator to one side of the heater and the negative regulator to the other side of the heater. The HMN heater schematic shows a connection to common, but that connection doesn't exist. The total across the voltage across the heaters on the ECC88 should be 6.3 VDC as you noted. Even with that set-up, the regulators are working at a voltage difference from common. Since common is lifted well above ground, noise is reduced from a balanced set-up where common is at ground. At least that's how I understand it.

You are correct about the heater regulator power supply voltage being key in the temperature issue. It would take a good size heatsink for +/- 13 V. Even with a lower voltage transformer, I was happier using a heatsink on the regulators.

Jac
18th April 2017
mrdave45
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Hi jackinnj,
Would it be possible to get a set of boards shipped to England? If so that would be great. Thanks.
18th April 2017
cogeniac
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Thanks Jac;

That makes sense. There would be no reason to run them via the heater common if you were trying to eliminate noise. My heater common is elevated at about 20 volts relative to the B+ supply ground.

I also found that his EO power supply schematic has a small error. The LM337 regulator has pins 2 and 3 swapped. He shows it with the same pinout as the LM 317, but that has pin 3 as input and pin 2 as output. The 337 has pin 2 as input and pin 3 as output. Of course I laid out my board the wrong way..sigh..

I ordered a 2 amp 5 volt CT transformer to replace the 9 volt CT one I have. That should give me about +/-7 volts DC with a bridge rectifier, and only 3.5 volts of overhead, so about a watt of dissipation.

Scott
19th April 2017
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lehmanhill
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Scott,

If you haven't already, check post 224 of the Equal Opp thread. I found several little things like voltage regulator pin problem and listed them up in my build notes. Hopefully, that will keep you from some of the mistakes I made.

Jac
19th April 2017
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jackinnj
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@mrdave -- pm me -- if you have a paypal account it furnishes a shipping label automatically, but if i have to go to the post office the amount they charge depends on who's pms-ing on the given day...
Why, silly hare, are you fleeing from the fierce jaws of the lion now grown tame?
19th April 2017
mrdave
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Quote:
Originally Posted by jackinnj View Post
@mrdave -- pm me -- if you have a paypal account it furnishes a shipping label automatically, but if i have to go to the post office the amount they charge depends on who's pms-ing on the given day...


I think you mean @mrdave45.
(This isn't going to get confusing at all...)
19th April 2017
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lehmanhill
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Two mrdave's and two Jack's. Let the fun begin.

Jac
19th April 2017
mrdave45
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pm sent, cheers
25th April 2017
frankwilker
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Hi jackinnj,
I took a look to your board an found the resistors to adjust the current.
The 2,7k (20mA), is it prallel to the 120Ohm Resistor?

thank you for your work
25th April 2017
mrdave45
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Have a look at the impasse article. There's some info in there about setting the adjust resistor (the values are different as that requires 8mA but the principals the same) . I made the circuit on a breadboard and used a trim pot set up as a variable resistor to trim the current. Once correct I measured the resistance of the trim and parallel fixed resistor and selected fixed resistors to match.
Make sure you use the components in the same place when transferring to the pcb.




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