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Old 1st April 2012, 04:48 AM   #1271
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just drop the block for input. you are better of soldering it anyway
I didn't solder that in, so yea.
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Old 1st April 2012, 09:28 AM   #1272
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A screw down terminal block for signal input !!
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Old 1st April 2012, 12:03 PM   #1273
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OK, here's my idea for a way to have some really versatile boards for various F-5 configurations and different chassis. First thing is to review the current UMS (Universal Mounting Standard) which is attached here.

Now that's a lot of holes! but is it enough? apparently not, as we can't get the MOSFET/Diodes far enough apart to avoid angst among the builders. However we have to be careful, if we get them too far apart, then they'll work in the 400mm deep chassis but not in the 300mm deep chassis.

Also, you're thinking that the 300mm deep chassis is too small for any type of Turbo F-5. But how about making two 300mm deep monoblocks? That would work for some iterations so we have to make that possible!

And 5U x 400 monoblocks for the most outrageous v3 versions. But for some versions a single 5U x 400 chassis with 2 ch should do it.

Well to start with how about we add yet 2 more holes on each side of the UMS Standard, spaced 40mm from the existing holes two holes on the extreme ends. So instead of six MOSFETS or diodes across, there would be 8.

To be continued..
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Old 1st April 2012, 12:08 PM   #1274
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Not too many holes, else no space to mount the devices !
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Old 1st April 2012, 12:10 PM   #1275
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So I came up with this idea to have a shorter, modular board with 2 output devices. Actually 2 shorter modular boards, one for "p" and one for "n"

For the 400mm deep chassis' and V3 you could use 2 boards on each side. You could use 2 "p"s per side , or 2 "n"s or one of each on each side.. That get 4 MOSFETS per side for the most outrageous Turbos, and they're at least 80mm apart.

For a balanced F-5 maybe just one board per side.

And for the 300mm deep chassis' for sure only one board per side, as that's all that will fit. But that will give you a "p" type board on one side and an "n" type on the other. Two of each type, for the smaller monoblocks.

No 2ch 300mm deep option, but a regular F-5 does that just fine!
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Old 1st April 2012, 12:12 PM   #1276
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Would alternating N & P devices help with equating Tc if there is an offset problem?
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Old 1st April 2012, 12:23 PM   #1277
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So here's a diagram with the options:

First are all the holes.. including the 2 new ones on each side which are ONLY on the 400mm deep chassis. The 300mm deep chassis will not have the extra holes, they'll have the standard holes as shown in the existing diagram Please ignore that rogue black circle, that's a mistake.

Second diagrams show if using 2 boards on each side they're centered. The MOSFETS are at least 80mm apart. The circle that are filled in are where there would be bolts for the board mounting or for device mounting.

Finally the last two show using a single board on each side. It will be off center 20mm but that will look fine and functionally can't be significant. AND it shows how the boards can be offset in opposite directions so that when in the chassis facing each other a board lines up with the board on the other side.

OK Start asking questions. And answering them! I'm happy to try and clarify my idea, but performance ramifications
should be considered by those with more knowledge that I possess.

The hope is that anyone could adapt his clever boards to work with this system
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Old 1st April 2012, 01:27 PM   #1278
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So here's a diagram with the options:

First are all the holes.. including the 2 new ones on each side which are ONLY on the 400mm deep chassis. The 300mm deep chassis will not have the extra holes, they'll have the standard holes as shown in the existing diagram Please ignore that rogue black circle, that's a mistake.

Second diagrams show if using 2 boards on each side they're centered. The MOSFETS are at least 80mm apart. The circle that are filled in are where there would be bolts for the board mounting or for device mounting.

Finally the last two show using a single board on each side. It will be off center 20mm but that will look fine and functionally can't be significant. AND it shows how the boards can be offset in opposite directions so that when in the chassis facing each other a board lines up with the board on the other side.

OK Start asking questions. And answering them! I'm happy to try and clarify my idea, but performance ramifications
should be considered by those with more knowledge that I possess.

The hope is that UKToecutter could adapt his clever boards t o work with this system
You have ignored the diode location for the Turbo, stilled drilled and tab a slew of holes that has to increase cost of the heatsink.
I am starting to think a couple of copper spreader bars with standard 1/4" mounting holes on the heatsink is going to be better (not cheaper) in the long run. It is relatively easy to drill and tap a 1/4" or 3/8" thick piece of metal, without any blind holes. Us Turbo guys still have to drill and tap the diode locations (same number of diode holes as mosfet holes.) If the chassis company could give a price for including spreader bars, it may be a good alternative.
Still need a standard for the spreader bars, but I am sure someone can figure that out.

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Old 1st April 2012, 02:54 PM   #1279
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First off the board quality is good.
First and second photos are stuffed not soldered. Third and forth photos are soldered.
First thing, R3 and R4 we changed from 1/4 watt to 2 watt and the larger leads don't fit in the holes, 1/4 watters do. I drilled them and all is good.
Second thing the middle input terminal block can't be used, the resistors are in the way of the openings for the wires. Have to solder directly instead of the block.
As Bear had pointed out it is very congested in the middle of the board, but certainly workable except for the terminal block location.
I put a few test points in just to see how they looked, need to finish the large resistors and transistors next. Then layout the outputs on the heatsink, drill & tap, the hard part!
Going to quit for the night. Not sure when I can get back to this, hopefully soon.

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I bent the legs of a diode and a Mosfet (marked with blue tape) and taped them in place to look at position on the heatsink. I am using 4 USAHeatsinks, 10.08" profile, 8" tall. I have bolted two 1" angles to the top and bottom to secure the heatsinks together (this was a pain). I only have 5 3/4" between the angles, so to keep the Mosfets at the 1/3 up from bottom I needed to turn the board so the diodes are up and place the screw hole for the mosfet at 2.625" above the bottom (see photos). Also means I need to solder P1 & P2 so that the screw is pointed up towards the diode side.

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Old 1st April 2012, 03:26 PM   #1280
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You have ignored the diode location for the Turbo, stilled drilled and tab a slew of holes that has to increase cost of the heatsink.


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My experience has been that the cost of having a shop drill/tap blind holes into heatsinks is mostly driven by the setup costs. Adding a few more holes is not a very significant expense (at least at the shop I used).
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