I don't believe cables make a difference, any input?

[Curly Woods]

Originally Posted by Magura

Where does that fit into the discussion?

I simply stated that Curly being relatively immune to math in this case, was actually without a need for calculating anything, as it had already been done.


Magura

I am not immune to it, but that calculator that you mentioned does not go far enough to the right of the decimel point :-)

[Panicos K]

Originally Posted by Magura

Where does that fit into the discussion?


Magura

To post 5570 of your of course.Or have I missed the point again Just kidding,your post also made me think of a seller calculating what one has to pay for his cables

[Curly Woods]

Originally Posted by Magura

This is very true, and works to our benefit actually.

But then why do you not take advantage of it, instead of worrying about the extremes you can't hear anyway?


Magura

Where did I say that I am looking for the extremes? Harmonics carry well out past what is audible in both directions, but they influence what happens in the audible range quite a bit.

[Magura]

Originally Posted by Panicos K

So,all cables that make a difference are doing it for the worse,because they are badly designed? It sounds like you believe that many cable designers know nothing about LCR.

Yes, difference made by a cable, will be bound to be a difference of loss. If you loose something, it is bound to be for the worse.


Where do I say that many cable designers don't know about basic physics ?

That there are many quacks (note that this group I did not include with the designers) in the cable business, hopefully isn't news to you?


Magura

[Magura]

Originally Posted by Curly Woods

Where did I say that I am looking for the extremes? Harmonics carry well out past what is audible in both directions, but they influence what happens in the audible range quite a bit.

I find it to be looking for extremes, when you know you can't hear anything above like 14-15KHz, and persist to be able to audition cables, which happens to only influence 17KHz+, and that 17KHz being a worst case scenario.

Maybe so, but for sure nothing that happens at 20KHz, has any influence on anything you can hear, and that's where the biggest chance is to find a cable that makes any significant difference.


Magura

[Curly Woods]

Originally Posted by Magura

I find it to be looking for extremes, when you know you can't hear anything above like 14-15KHz, and persist to be able to audition cables, which happens to only influence 17KHz+, and that 17KHz being a worst case scenario.

Maybe so, but for sure nothing that happens at 20KHz, has any influence on anything you can hear, and that's where the biggest chance is to find a cable that makes any significant difference.


Magura

Maybe in your mind, but I know what I still hear at my advanced age.

I find that your and others idea of what decorum is, in these forums to be laughable. I and others are labeled as trouble makers for personal attacks because of what we hear and know, but then you and others continue to label anyone that does not follow your logic to be "quacks" or delusional. The mods of this board could stop all of the personal attacks if they would moderate with an even hand. Scientist should also be made to respect others opinion, even if they do not agree. If not these battles of who is right or wrong will never cease. I do not know of anyone that has changed what they think about what they hear because someone told them that they could not possibly hear what they say they can. Where do we get off this merry go round and try to get along?

[destroyer X]

The big trouble is that "believers of faith" do not even do those testings....well..they must be submited to testings..... they gonna be evaluated..the listener will be evaluated...while one special cable and common thin telephone wire (for instance) will be switched from A to B.

It is a pity that they do not make those testing to avoid loose their faith.

This is the real pity..not the pity we cannot listen...we cannot listen because there's no difference..just that.

This is the only and main argument they have...that "we just cannot listen"... ahahahaha.

regards,

Carlos

[Key]

Originally Posted by Curly Woods

I am not immune to it, but that calculator that you mentioned does not go far enough to the right of the decimel point :-)

Ha really? You don't think 64-bit is sufficient? Do I need to take up 2 posts worth of numbers to show that you are wrong?

[Panicos K]

Originally Posted by Magura

Yes, difference made by a cable, will be bound to be a difference of loss. If you loose something, it is bound to be for the worse.


Where do I say that many cable designers don't know about basic physics ?

That there are many quacks (note that this group I did not include with the designers) in the cable business, hopefully isn't news to you?


Magura

No it is not news to me.
You did not say cable designers don't know about basic physics.You just talk about frequency response of cables and LCR,as if those designers ignore them.I believe that most of those designers know at least what you and many others here know.In fact I would go a bit more far than this and say I believe they know more.

[Curly Woods]

Originally Posted by Key

Do I need to take up 2 posts worth of numbers to show that you are wrong?

In your mind? It is your choice. I doubt that what ever reason you can produce will influence what I know as fact to be, but take your best shot :-) Oh and that was sarcasm about the calculator.