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Old 22nd July 2012, 03:12 PM   #21
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Guess just going with either a decent transformer ( Jensen) or a THAT part is not of the quality you are looking for? Unless you have your own source of master recordings, you are probably listening to several of each already.
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Old 22nd July 2012, 03:16 PM   #22
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I think Patrick talked about this already. The Thats chip is just fine. I use it with good results. So this is more a philosophy to use simple Fet based circuits and also much more fun.
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Old 23rd July 2012, 04:27 AM   #23
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If that is the argument then the audio world will only have LM3875's and opamps.
And they cal also sound very nice, as our own ES9022 modules showed.

But as Joachim said, this is philosophy, and a lot more fun.
Have you heard an audio chain with no global loop feedback at all ?




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Old 23rd July 2012, 06:00 AM   #24
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Hi,

the J111 is quite high in noise specs, equivalent noise voltage as well as 1/f figure. Any experiences abut practical behaviour and at which signal levels?

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Old 23rd July 2012, 09:10 AM   #25
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Line level. Used only as a cascode.
The J174 is much worse.

Is it your experience that J310 is better ?
Then we have to try it some time ....


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Old 23rd July 2012, 09:34 AM   #26
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Hi,

so far Im perfectly happy with the 4391s, especially in cascode with the lownoise BF862 and more so the LSK389C. The latter makes matching and output DC-blocking nearly obsolete (apart from some really off 4391s). Noise is no issue here. Unfortunately only N-channels and quite critical against oscillation in a modulated CS-loaded-source-follower fashion. So one better sticks to the simple CCS-loaded cascoded-Source-followers, even if that means less drive capability of 1xId.

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Old 23rd July 2012, 04:40 PM   #27
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Hi,

so far Im perfectly happy with the 4391s, especially in cascode with the lownoise BF862 and more so the LSK389C. The latter makes matching and output DC-blocking nearly obsolete (apart from some really off 4391s). Noise is no issue here. Unfortunately only N-channels and quite critical against oscillation in a modulated CS-loaded-source-follower fashion. So one better sticks to the simple CCS-loaded cascoded-Source-followers, even if that means less drive capability of 1xId.

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Except for the nuisance of the extra required voltage, I concur on the 4391-like parts as cascode devices with the lower-voltage shorter-channel families like the 2SK170, BF862, et al. The drain-gate breakdown of the 4391 is also usually much higher than the guaranteed spec, which tempts one to madness, although for anything production-worthy one must stick to the guarantees.

For still-higher output impedance, an iterated cascode with additional devices works, with even more of a voltage drop penalty, and the need for some floating gate bias. It's usually not necessary

BTW Walt Jung is working on presenting some history of JFET cascodes and has dug up some details on pioneers of the technique, so I shall say no more about the probable first uses of the technique. However, the principle is clearly along the lines of the first use of the bootstrapped cascode using bipolars by Aldridge; and the effectiveness in the FET case, besides the increase in low-frequency output impedance, is particularly due to the pumping of the output drain-gate displacement current back into the lower JFET source. This is only effective when there is substantial Z in the source compared to the reciprocal transconductance, so that most of the current flows in the source.
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Please keep us posted when Walt is ready.


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Old 25th July 2012, 10:23 AM   #29
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Ordered 10 pcs for the XCEN prototype today.
Cute little thing at 42x40mm, double sided.
4 of them will be shipped to Joachim when they are ready in a week or so.




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Thanks, i am looking forward how they perform.
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